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hi everybody alex karras from skeptic Oh

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want to do a quick introduction to an

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interview I did a little while back with

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two really interesting guys one is dr.

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Alexander Wendt from Ohio State

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University the Ohio State University as

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those folks like to say it a heavy

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hitter serious academic in the area of

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international relations and but what

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really makes him interesting in regard

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to a skeptical interview is that he's

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kind of stepped out there was some

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really interesting ideas about a

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one-world State so I wanted to look at

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him and his ideas visa vie my old buddy

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James Corbett from the corporate report

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who has really become quite a leader in

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the alternative media area so again what

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the topic was is this idea this very

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scary idea of a one-world state and

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whether or not that is as dr. Alexander

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Wendt suggests inevitable and he's not

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really you don't get me wrong he's not

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taking a kind of a new world order kind

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of position at all he's kind of saying

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the opposite that he's saying hey

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there's maybe a lot of dark things that

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are going to come with a one-world state

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but if we step back and really look at

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what's going on it is inevitable in

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shouldn't we maybe plan for how we can

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make the best of what is probably coming

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ahead and I want to contrast that with

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James who really thinks it's a

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catastrophe not that the two are not

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mutually exclusive I mean it could be

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inevitable and be a catastrophe but

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James has a very hard time hearing how

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anyone could even contemplate what the

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next step might be in this new world

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state game so I understand where he's

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coming from - you know it's it's some

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bad stuff you know so but a very

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interesting interview with some really

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really smart people that take an

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intellectual approach to kind of an

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alternative media topic that I think

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sometimes just gets played to silliness

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so I thought it came out really well I

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hope you enjoy it

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here goes on this episode of skeptical

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there is a you know the deep state idea

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that behind all this there would be some

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more almost criminal element that would

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be you know dealing with dissenters and

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that kind of thing and and I guess that

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is a worry but it seems to me there's

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much and what you were just saying it's

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exactly how I would put it actually

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which is that there's a much better

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chance of dealing with that element that

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problem in a single global structure

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where you have sort of a global

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democracy then there is in a world of a

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hundred and ninety separate

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sovereignties where nobody's in charge

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there is no pretense of democracy

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there's no pretense of global law and

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where the strong can basically do

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whatever they want five hundred thousand

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Iraqi children had died as a result of

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the sanctions on Iraq when asked is it

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worth it is it worth it and Madeleine

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Albright said well yes I think it is

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worth it to kill five hundred thousand

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Iraqi children I think that's the

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mentality of these people that human

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life really does not mean anything to

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them and to hand them the power and

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control over the entirety of the globe

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is something that is should strike fear

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into the hearts of anyone who

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understands what is really at stake here

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especially given the technocratic

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control grid that we're moving into stay

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welcome to skeptic oh where we explore

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controversial science with leading

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researchers thinkers and their critics

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I'm your host Alex Icarus and today a

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show not about consciousness not about

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spirituality not about any of the topics

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we normally cover well of course it's

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somewhat about some of the topics we

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normally cover but today we have a very

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interesting threaded debate if you will

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I've always wanted to do more of these

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and I've never been able to put a lot of

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them together but I did today the topic

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is a one-world state and New World Order

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if you will and the two participants are

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one dr. Alexander Wendt from The Ohio

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State University who joined me a few

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episodes ago to talk about his new book

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on quantum consciousness and the Social

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Sciences dr. Wendt is a worldwide

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recognized expert on international

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relations in political science so after

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that last episode we did I asked him to

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stick around and talk about this very

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influential paper he's done on one world

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state now what I really thought was

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interesting about that paper is there's

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kind of two ways to take it for the

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crowd that still believes the official

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narrative still believes the Republican

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Party and the Democratic Party are the

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only influences in the political system

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and there's no such thing as a deep

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state there's no such thing as a

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military-industrial surveillance complex

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intelligence complex for those folks

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this article by Wendt is extremely

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controversial because hey America first

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man I mean why would we ever give up our

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perch on the top of the heap but to

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another group myself included who

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believe that deep state politics are

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really what it's all about and are

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made but world events in general

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phony war on science phony war on drugs

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you name it so for those folks the paper

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his done is kind of jumped around to

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that other side and said okay even if

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influences on our system we may still

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inevitably be heading towards a

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one-world State and let's look at what

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form so when talking to wint I'm

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what we have today we have an interview

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one-world state idea and then following

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thoughts on Wentz paper and the idea of

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any kind of one-world State in a new

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world order so this is a very fun

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Alexander Wendt thank you dr. Wendt for

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chat about your new book quantum mine

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take the opportunity to talk to you

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about a topic that you are extremely

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well known for would go so far as to say

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is inevitable so father isn't a direct

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normally cover on skeptic oh there are

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explore and love to talk about so I

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thought I would invite you to stick

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sure no I'd be happy to continue that

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basic premise one world state that term

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idea of anarchy and equilibrium and just

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the next book although it's going to

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whether this would be a good thing and

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think about why it would be a good thing

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which we can talk about if you want but

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anarchic States in or a world of Anarchy

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certainly have a world state if we human

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world state is inevitable and so then I

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wrote the paper chime go ahead I'm sorry

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obvious because I think you did a great

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job of pointing that out I mean so talk

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hundred and ninety I mean well I think

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summary data it's more info respective

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somewhat speculation but I quote this

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states at all that they were separate

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hundred and ninety so if you look at

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consolidation of political authority

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worldwide over the ensuing millennia

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colonization and the breakup of the

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Soviet Union in Yugoslavia and so on but

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overall I think the trend historically

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is toward fewer and fewer and fewer

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states and if you're at in that

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globalization the internet climate

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change that war between states is

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becoming irrational there are just many

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many many factors that make the idea of

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the separate sovereign state

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increasingly silly basically what's the

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point quickly if you can't go over a

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couple of those so globalization means

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the interdependence and

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interconnectedness of economies and that

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makes it less likely that you go and

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bomb your partner and it's obvious to

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anyone who's a little bit older like I

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am that you say gee you know 20 years

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ago you could think about invading China

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or being at war with China now you go

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jeez you know it would be destructive to

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our economy and their economy less

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likely to happen not say it wouldn't

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happen but it wouldn't or if you look at

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Canada or Mexico you go gosh were so

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interdependent less likely to happen

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internet more connected less likely to

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happen

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right so all these things are pointing

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in the direction you're saying that as

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you become more connected you're less

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likely to go to war with people yes and

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you could add in other part of democracy

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the so-called Democratic peace

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you know democracy's hardly ever go to

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war with each other in the growth of

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international institutions now all these

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things just make war or less light but

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if they don't necessarily mean that

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states are going to come together and

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form a global state but I guess the

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point is is that if if war is off the

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table

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and if you know exercising national

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sovereignty in the world economy to

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resist this globalization is off the

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table then what is the point really at

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the end of the day every taining

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sovereignty I mean the way I define

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sovereignty the way I think about it

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especially now is that at the end of the

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day sovereignty is the right to kill

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foreigners with no accountability it's

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the right to invade other countries if

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you think it's in your national security

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interest with no accountability and it

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seems to me that that right is

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increasingly obsolete or pointless in a

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sense because who's going to do that

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anyway and I would say that right has no

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moral foundation and that gets to the

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more normative argument about is this a

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good thing I don't think there's any

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justification actually for one group of

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people having the right to invade a

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foreign country if they decide assume

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their national interest and kill

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foreigners with no accountability that

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might set off you know wild debates and

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heated debates

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I think what's refreshing about what

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you're doing is you're stepping back now

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okay we can get into a big fight about a

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particular you know Libya or any Syria

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today or some hot issue today but if you

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just step back and say as Americans

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let's say our values would be at their

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core that we don't do that kind of stuff

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so even the folks who are saying that

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this was an exceptional situation where

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we had to do it yada-yada-yada still

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they would agree that that is not within

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our basic moral value system too

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to do those kind of things right is that

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yeah I think if you are a liberal in the

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broad sense of bleeding and human rights

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and all that and if you are committed to

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democracy in the broad sense the people

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should have the ability to hold power

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over them accountable then it's very

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hard it seems to me to justify separate

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groups retaining the right to kill

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foreigners violating their human rights

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with no accountability violating

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democracy their democracy with no

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accountability it's just very hard from

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a Western but it's not just the Western

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he creates an increasingly global set of

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moral values to justify that kind of

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sovereignty and the article that I'd

372
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like to write that follows up on this

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world state paper I want to call Anarchy

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as despotism you know everyone says that

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a world state would be despotic and a

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totalitarian state actually the current

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system of anarchy in my view is a

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despotism because States can do whatever

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they want to to each other wouldn't it

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no accountability so I would like to

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turn the argument around in effect and

382
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put their onus on the defenders of the

383
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sovereign state to to defend the right

384
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to kill foreigners unilaterally I don't

385
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see how you can do that let's talk about

386
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that because it's it's it's interesting

387
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and there's two angles I'd like to

388
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address is one is the folks who are

389
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upfront about that argument and our

390
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arguing against you but the other that

391
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that you addressed I thought which is

392
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really refreshing is the kind of covert

393
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opposition to that so if we accept the

394
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idea that governments act in secret at

395
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times and we have plenty of evidence for

396
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that and black operations and we now

397
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know that people were whether they are

398
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today or not

399
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we're abducted and taken and tortured

400
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and those other things happen that don't

401
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exactly fit with our values and then if

402
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you take that by extension like a lot of

403
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people do and are serious about looking

404
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at and saying you know there is this

405
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shadow government that's in play and

406
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that then becomes you know just a huge

407
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fear factor

408
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in terms of what you're proposing a

409
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one-world State and yours like jeez

410
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that's exactly what those guys want that

411
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we're playing into their hands kind of

412
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thing and I don't need you to go down

413
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that whole path but I think and even if

414
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you go down that path a little bit you

415
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present some rather compelling arguments

416
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why even if we do even if we accept the

417
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darkest scenario there we still may be

418
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better off with the one-world state so

419
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do you want to touch on that yeah I

420
00:17:38,700 --> 00:17:37,150
think that's right I think that well

421
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first I think that we would only get to

422
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a world state voluntarily if you think

423
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about America ten years ago was at the

424
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height of its power and no state in

425
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world history has ever had such a

426
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preponderance of power as United States

427
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did ten years ago and there's no way

428
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that ten years ago the US could have

429
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conquered the world and subjected it to

430
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a world stayed under American control so

431
00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:02,590
if it didn't or couldn't have happened

432
00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:04,290
ten years ago it's never going to happen

433
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violently it seems to me so if there's

434
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going to be a world day it's only going

435
00:18:12,750 --> 00:18:10,930
to happen through a democratic very

436
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incremental process where everybody's

437
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rights get written into their global

438
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Constitution at least at least on the at

439
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least on the surface or at least quasi

440
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democratic I mean right people would

441
00:18:26,850 --> 00:18:24,460
argue that but I mean if you look at the

442
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the EU for example there's a lot of

443
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shenanigans and a lot of back-channel

444
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deals and all that but it basically kind

445
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of works right

446
00:18:38,370 --> 00:18:36,940
yeah that's a good point that it this

447
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would be on the surface it would be

448
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democratic and liberal probably so there

449
00:18:45,570 --> 00:18:42,790
is a you know the deep state idea that

450
00:18:48,360 --> 00:18:45,580
behind all this there would be some more

451
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almost criminal elements that would be

452
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you know dealing with dissenters and

453
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that kind of thing and and I guess that

454
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is a worry but it seems to me there's

455
00:18:59,610 --> 00:18:57,910
much and what you were just saying it's

456
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exactly how I would put it actually

457
00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:01,210
which is that there's a much better

458
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chance of dealing with that element that

459
00:19:09,690 --> 00:19:07,330
problem in a single global structure

460
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where you have sort of a global

461
00:19:15,380 --> 00:19:12,480
democracy then there is you know

462
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world 197 sovereignties where nobody is

463
00:19:19,580 --> 00:19:17,640
in charge there is no pretense of

464
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democracy there's no pretense of global

465
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law and where the strong can basically

466
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do whatever they want and the weak will

467
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suffer what they must you know two

468
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quotes acidities I think are compared a

469
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phrase - acidities okay so one is that

470
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there's a forced democracy to the one

471
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world state at least on the surface

472
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level and in a lot of ways as we see in

473
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our current government the surface level

474
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counts you know I mean you there's still

475
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some accountability no matter how bleak

476
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of a view you have of the situation

477
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there is still some accountability to

478
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common values and principles that we all

479
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share and you're saying that point one

480
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would be there would be that same

481
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accountability to this common common

482
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liberal democratic ideal set that we all

483
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hold what are the other reasons why you

484
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think this might the one world state

485
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might be better despite all the possible

486
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problems with it well just picking them

487
00:20:26,030 --> 00:20:24,120
before I answer that I may just go back

488
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to your point a second ago I think that

489
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part of the motivation here I'm a

490
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normative side on the moral side is to

491
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hold the power of very powerful States

492
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accountable so especially the power of

493
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the US you know I was an Iraqi citizen

494
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in 2003 I would be really angry at what

495
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happened the u.s. coming in I mean

496
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Saddam Hussein was obviously a very bad

497
00:20:54,409 --> 00:20:52,679
guy but many many Iraqis suffered

498
00:20:56,659 --> 00:20:54,419
horribly as a result of that invasion

499
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which I think everybody agrees was a

500
00:21:02,270 --> 00:20:59,850
catastrophic mistake in almost every

501
00:21:04,789 --> 00:21:02,280
sense and there's no accountability

502
00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:04,799
about it and it's not just America it's

503
00:21:08,900 --> 00:21:07,290
China it's Russia all these powerful

504
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states can basically do whatever they

505
00:21:13,580 --> 00:21:11,190
want to small our countries

506
00:21:15,140 --> 00:21:13,590
if those powerful states just just to be

507
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in their national interest so the idea

508
00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:17,309
here is to hold the powerful States

509
00:21:23,260 --> 00:21:20,970
accountable to the weaker ones who

510
00:21:24,580 --> 00:21:23,270
otherwise have no recourse

511
00:21:27,549 --> 00:21:24,590
now to go back to your question about

512
00:21:31,690 --> 00:21:27,559
I'm sorry I lost the last part of that

513
00:21:34,540 --> 00:21:31,700
which was you added that in and anyone

514
00:21:36,970 --> 00:21:34,550
can just look at the world stage that we

515
00:21:40,330 --> 00:21:36,980
have and right now if you want to do

516
00:21:43,180 --> 00:21:40,340
something bad you just run off in some

517
00:21:46,270 --> 00:21:43,190
little country in Eastern Europe and you

518
00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:46,280
just throw some money around and land

519
00:21:50,260 --> 00:21:48,290
the black helicopters and go do whatever

520
00:21:52,740 --> 00:21:50,270
you want we have documented proof of

521
00:21:55,390 --> 00:21:52,750
that where you can set up your little

522
00:21:57,640 --> 00:21:55,400
interrogation cell or you can go there

523
00:22:00,850 --> 00:21:57,650
get a group of bandits together and go

524
00:22:03,220 --> 00:22:00,860
so you're right it's hard to imagine how

525
00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:03,230
there could be any less accountability

526
00:22:07,270 --> 00:22:06,050
than there is now but so let me lead you

527
00:22:09,669 --> 00:22:07,280
into this other point that I took out of

528
00:22:14,260 --> 00:22:09,679
your talking it really struck me as you

529
00:22:18,250 --> 00:22:14,270
talked about just scale and how you know

530
00:22:22,230 --> 00:22:18,260
that even the the scaling of things up

531
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:22,240
to this one world state would have some

532
00:22:28,120 --> 00:22:25,490
advantages for individuality and

533
00:22:30,730 --> 00:22:28,130
interview individual freedoms and rights

534
00:22:31,870 --> 00:22:30,740
and that do you want to talk to that and

535
00:22:33,810 --> 00:22:31,880
am I getting that right do you know what

536
00:22:37,210 --> 00:22:33,820
I'm talking about

537
00:22:39,610 --> 00:22:37,220
well I would have advantages in the

538
00:22:42,220 --> 00:22:39,620
sense that certain kinds it would be

539
00:22:44,890 --> 00:22:42,230
much harder to violate the rights of

540
00:22:46,330 --> 00:22:44,900
some people namely foreigners because

541
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:46,340
there wouldn't be any more foreigners

542
00:22:51,549 --> 00:22:49,970
right everybody would be domestic on the

543
00:22:54,010 --> 00:22:51,559
other hand I do agree with critics of

544
00:22:56,650 --> 00:22:54,020
the world estate idea that you know in a

545
00:22:58,390 --> 00:22:56,660
world of 10 billion people the MA you

546
00:23:01,419 --> 00:22:58,400
know a democratic election you know one

547
00:23:03,070 --> 00:23:01,429
vote doesn't count for a lot and so

548
00:23:05,799 --> 00:23:03,080
there is a scale problem in that sense

549
00:23:07,330 --> 00:23:05,809
and you know my personal view is that if

550
00:23:09,220 --> 00:23:07,340
there's going to be a world state it

551
00:23:09,940 --> 00:23:09,230
should be a decentralized as absolutely

552
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:09,950
possible

553
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:13,610
so that individual votes in tomorrow

554
00:23:19,270 --> 00:23:17,450
because you matter that's what I heard

555
00:23:22,740 --> 00:23:19,280
that's what I heard in your one talk

556
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:22,750
that struck me is that you were I think

557
00:23:29,710 --> 00:23:25,610
saying that there's an inevitability to

558
00:23:31,540 --> 00:23:29,720
that multiculturalism remaining intact

559
00:23:34,180 --> 00:23:31,550
because that's a basic need that people

560
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:34,190
have and that both in order to govern

561
00:23:37,120 --> 00:23:36,530
you would have that in the same way we

562
00:23:39,250 --> 00:23:37,130
have

563
00:23:41,409 --> 00:23:39,260
50 states and my wife is from Alabama

564
00:23:44,890 --> 00:23:41,419
and you go to Alabama and they've

565
00:23:48,100 --> 00:23:44,900
retained some cultural values and

566
00:23:49,630 --> 00:23:48,110
beliefs that pacify them to the extent

567
00:23:50,590 --> 00:23:49,640
that they say okay you know we can kind

568
00:23:52,570 --> 00:23:50,600
of live in this thing

569
00:23:54,340 --> 00:23:52,580
you also pointed out India where there's

570
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:54,350
a hundred different languages in the

571
00:23:59,850 --> 00:23:56,090
country and yet you know we can still

572
00:24:04,570 --> 00:23:59,860
have a democracy that works and we can

573
00:24:08,890 --> 00:24:04,580
recognize that we can't impose this kind

574
00:24:11,970 --> 00:24:08,900
of universal cultural overlay on it so

575
00:24:14,409 --> 00:24:11,980
that it really can work in both ways

576
00:24:16,419 --> 00:24:14,419
yeah actually the India example I'm glad

577
00:24:18,630 --> 00:24:16,429
you mentioned that because there's over

578
00:24:21,070 --> 00:24:18,640
a billion people on India and this is a

579
00:24:22,510 --> 00:24:21,080
relatively I mean it's not a perfect

580
00:24:26,620 --> 00:24:22,520
amok recei but it is a democracy and

581
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:26,630
it's been one for 60-some years and and

582
00:24:31,210 --> 00:24:28,850
if a billion people can be a democracy

583
00:24:34,990 --> 00:24:31,220
then ten billion it seems to me can get

584
00:24:36,490 --> 00:24:35,000
amok recei and india preserves a

585
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:36,500
tremendous amount of cultural diversity

586
00:24:40,690 --> 00:24:38,450
linguistic diversity and cultural

587
00:24:42,610 --> 00:24:40,700
diversity ethnic diversity and so on so

588
00:24:45,850 --> 00:24:42,620
in a way it's a microcosm of what a

589
00:24:48,610 --> 00:24:45,860
world would be and again if you're

590
00:24:50,110 --> 00:24:48,620
already at that scale in India going to

591
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:50,120
the global level isn't that seems to me

592
00:24:54,039 --> 00:24:52,490
a huge extrapolation especially because

593
00:24:57,010 --> 00:24:54,049
in this 18th century you had

594
00:24:58,960 --> 00:24:57,020
philosophers saying that democracy was

595
00:25:00,940 --> 00:24:58,970
only going to work in very very small

596
00:25:03,490 --> 00:25:00,950
communities literally a few hundred

597
00:25:05,020 --> 00:25:03,500
thousand people and you know India is a

598
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:05,030
billion already and we have a democracy

599
00:25:10,630 --> 00:25:08,090
and democracy so I don't see a scale

600
00:25:15,940 --> 00:25:10,640
problem except that it waters down in

601
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:15,950
the digital votes right right right you

602
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:17,690
mentioned where you might be going with

603
00:25:21,370 --> 00:25:20,210
this line of thought and it might spawn

604
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:21,380
another book

605
00:25:24,979 --> 00:25:23,450
can you tell folks where you are in that

606
00:25:27,239 --> 00:25:24,989
process

607
00:25:29,940 --> 00:25:27,249
well it's just at the beginning stages

608
00:25:32,700 --> 00:25:29,950
I'd like to write I'm basically this

609
00:25:34,379 --> 00:25:32,710
from the next year dealing with fallout

610
00:25:36,180 --> 00:25:34,389
from the quantum book and writing

611
00:25:38,749 --> 00:25:36,190
whatever you know it's offenses and

612
00:25:40,919 --> 00:25:38,759
replies to the critics that I need to

613
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:40,929
but I have this one paper I want to

614
00:25:46,289 --> 00:25:43,330
write it off of anarchy being a

615
00:25:48,419 --> 00:25:46,299
despotism to kind of counter the world

616
00:25:50,190 --> 00:25:48,429
state being a despotism kind of argument

617
00:25:53,310 --> 00:25:50,200
but I'm sort of trying to conceptualize

618
00:25:56,249 --> 00:25:53,320
this world state book as volume two of

619
00:25:59,310 --> 00:25:56,259
the quantum story so I'd like to somehow

620
00:26:01,289 --> 00:25:59,320
connect it to the quantum argument in

621
00:26:05,310 --> 00:26:01,299
them in the book I just published I'm

622
00:26:06,419 --> 00:26:05,320
not sure how to do that yet but I do I

623
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:06,429
do

624
00:26:13,289 --> 00:26:10,690
see social collectivities as a kind of

625
00:26:16,799 --> 00:26:13,299
organism which is in the quantum book

626
00:26:18,659 --> 00:26:16,809
already and I think I see the world

627
00:26:21,389 --> 00:26:18,669
system the international system as an

628
00:26:24,779 --> 00:26:21,399
organism and I think that that's like so

629
00:26:27,930 --> 00:26:24,789
sort of and organisms develop in a

630
00:26:29,700 --> 00:26:27,940
certain direction over time as they

631
00:26:31,619 --> 00:26:29,710
mature and so I'd like to make some kind

632
00:26:34,710 --> 00:26:31,629
of a theological argument about

633
00:26:36,479 --> 00:26:34,720
organismic development it has some kind

634
00:26:38,580 --> 00:26:36,489
of quantum basis to it

635
00:26:39,749 --> 00:26:38,590
that's pretty speculative at this point

636
00:26:41,639 --> 00:26:39,759
and I'm not sure how to make that

637
00:26:43,499 --> 00:26:41,649
argument work but I do see the two books

638
00:26:46,769 --> 00:26:43,509
together in a sense as volume 1 and

639
00:26:50,729 --> 00:26:46,779
volume 2 it's just going to take several

640
00:26:52,109 --> 00:26:50,739
years probably to work this out okay

641
00:26:54,539 --> 00:26:52,119
before I totally let go of this

642
00:26:57,239 --> 00:26:54,549
interview with dr. Alexander went one

643
00:26:58,859 --> 00:26:57,249
more little tidbit that he app that he

644
00:27:02,129 --> 00:26:58,869
added after I thought we're all done

645
00:27:03,690 --> 00:27:02,139
that I thought was interesting you know

646
00:27:06,060 --> 00:27:03,700
my general feeling is and I should have

647
00:27:07,889 --> 00:27:06,070
said this on the show is that human

648
00:27:10,289 --> 00:27:07,899
beings know a lot less than we think we

649
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:10,299
do and the we're just at the beginning

650
00:27:14,249 --> 00:27:12,129
of figuring out the nature of the

651
00:27:16,049 --> 00:27:14,259
universe it seems to me and I think a

652
00:27:17,789 --> 00:27:16,059
lot of scientists and my colleagues

653
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:17,799
think actually we're really smart and

654
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:19,210
we've already got most of it figured out

655
00:27:24,749 --> 00:27:21,690
and I just think that's completely wrong

656
00:27:26,009 --> 00:27:24,759
and so who knows what hundred years even

657
00:27:27,899 --> 00:27:26,019
a hundred years from now people will

658
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:27,909
real will take us common sense that

659
00:27:47,750 --> 00:27:30,210
today we can't even imagine

660
00:27:52,110 --> 00:27:50,190
thanks again to dr. Alexander went for

661
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:52,120
joining me today and talking about this

662
00:27:57,390 --> 00:27:54,850
now before we move on to James Corbett

663
00:27:59,850 --> 00:27:57,400
let me throw in a couple ideas here one

664
00:28:03,300 --> 00:27:59,860
is that what I really appreciate about

665
00:28:06,990 --> 00:28:03,310
what went saying is that here's someone

666
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:07,000
who is from the inside of the system if

667
00:28:13,500 --> 00:28:10,330
you will who's really taking an honest

668
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:13,510
look at the deep systemic problems in

669
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:16,090
the system and let's face it you just

670
00:28:21,900 --> 00:28:18,490
don't hear that much you don't hear

671
00:28:24,750 --> 00:28:21,910
people inside academia exploring the

672
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:24,760
possibility that there is a very real

673
00:28:31,860 --> 00:28:28,330
deep fundamental problem with the way

674
00:28:33,540 --> 00:28:31,870
our political system is operating so one

675
00:28:36,030 --> 00:28:33,550
of the real appeals I think of when

676
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:36,040
space is to say well let's turn the

677
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:38,290
whole thing around if there is this deep

678
00:28:42,420 --> 00:28:40,810
unstated agenda to drive us towards a

679
00:28:44,790 --> 00:28:42,430
one world government which a lot of

680
00:28:46,380 --> 00:28:44,800
people make a good case for then let's

681
00:28:48,570 --> 00:28:46,390
explore that let's bring it out in the

682
00:28:50,940 --> 00:28:48,580
open and kick around what that might

683
00:28:52,860 --> 00:28:50,950
mean but of course I wanted to get

684
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:52,870
another perspective on that and I

685
00:28:59,400 --> 00:28:56,530
certainly did with our next guest James

686
00:29:02,550 --> 00:28:59,410
Corbett from the corporate report let's

687
00:29:04,380 --> 00:29:02,560
move on to that interview today we

688
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:04,390
welcome James Corbett to skeptic Oh

689
00:29:08,100 --> 00:29:06,370
James is a leading member of the

690
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:08,110
alternative media through through his

691
00:29:12,930 --> 00:29:10,810
various podcast YouTube channel blog

692
00:29:14,190 --> 00:29:12,940
posts and short and long form

693
00:29:16,020 --> 00:29:14,200
documentaries which are really

694
00:29:18,870 --> 00:29:16,030
sensational folks you have to check

695
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:18,880
those out he is producing just an insane

696
00:29:25,590 --> 00:29:22,450
amount of high quality geopolitical news

697
00:29:28,380 --> 00:29:25,600
that's just vital stuff for today's time

698
00:29:31,380 --> 00:29:28,390
so much so that I honestly as I was just

699
00:29:33,750 --> 00:29:31,390
joking with him earlier don't know how

700
00:29:35,850 --> 00:29:33,760
he does it but he does and you can find

701
00:29:37,470 --> 00:29:35,860
it all at the corporate report what so

702
00:29:39,810 --> 00:29:37,480
of course have linked up in this show

703
00:29:41,790 --> 00:29:39,820
James welcome back to skeptic oh thanks

704
00:29:42,930 --> 00:29:41,800
so much for joining me well thank you

705
00:29:44,910 --> 00:29:42,940
for having me back on it's always a

706
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:44,920
pleasure to talk with you well it was

707
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:46,570
kind of an interesting turn of events

708
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:49,810
that led me to you your work is on my

709
00:29:53,909 --> 00:29:51,730
mind because I do check out your website

710
00:29:58,080 --> 00:29:53,919
whenever there's a news event like the

711
00:30:00,480 --> 00:29:58,090
latest horrible tragedy in Paris you

712
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:00,490
know people even my family and friends

713
00:30:05,700 --> 00:30:03,370
ask me what's going on and until I check

714
00:30:07,860 --> 00:30:05,710
out your website along with a few other

715
00:30:10,860 --> 00:30:07,870
websites I don't even want to venture

716
00:30:13,019 --> 00:30:10,870
even an opinion on that because I think

717
00:30:16,230 --> 00:30:13,029
for a growing number of people including

718
00:30:19,980 --> 00:30:16,240
myself the alternative media is the

719
00:30:21,899 --> 00:30:19,990
go-to first source to sort through the

720
00:30:23,330 --> 00:30:21,909
other information that we get and I'm

721
00:30:26,100 --> 00:30:23,340
sure you hear that from a lot of folks

722
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:26,110
well I do and that's obviously a huge

723
00:30:30,419 --> 00:30:28,090
responsibility and one that I don't take

724
00:30:32,039 --> 00:30:30,429
lightly so I do try to put in as much

725
00:30:33,659 --> 00:30:32,049
effort as I can to try to sort out

726
00:30:35,490 --> 00:30:33,669
things that I'm going to talk about

727
00:30:36,810 --> 00:30:35,500
before I talk about them but as I think

728
00:30:38,370 --> 00:30:36,820
you know it's it is a huge

729
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:38,380
responsibility to have an audience that

730
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:40,570
relies on you for information on any

731
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:42,850
subject so I definitely try to live up

732
00:30:47,519 --> 00:30:45,370
to that well and you do a wonderful job

733
00:30:49,399 --> 00:30:47,529
of it and today of course we're not

734
00:30:52,110 --> 00:30:49,409
going to be talking so much about

735
00:30:55,350 --> 00:30:52,120
current events directly but I thought

736
00:30:57,810 --> 00:30:55,360
when I interviewed professor Alexander

737
00:31:00,600 --> 00:30:57,820
Wendt from Ohio State University about

738
00:31:03,930 --> 00:31:00,610
his recent book on really consciousness

739
00:31:07,110 --> 00:31:03,940
science and the social sciences I was

740
00:31:11,129 --> 00:31:07,120
just intrigued because I knew this guy

741
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:11,139
had a huge profile in the political

742
00:31:15,750 --> 00:31:13,330
science and international relations

743
00:31:17,669 --> 00:31:15,760
field and in particular he had drawn the

744
00:31:20,070 --> 00:31:17,679
attention of the alternative media a few

745
00:31:23,639 --> 00:31:20,080
years ago when he wrote a very

746
00:31:27,060 --> 00:31:23,649
influential article about one world

747
00:31:29,070 --> 00:31:27,070
state about the inevitability of the one

748
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:29,080
world state but James when I was talking

749
00:31:34,409 --> 00:31:30,850
to him what really intrigued me and

750
00:31:37,769 --> 00:31:34,419
motivated me to contact you was here's

751
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:37,779
an academic who seems to be taking

752
00:31:44,580 --> 00:31:42,010
seriously in thinking deeply about a lot

753
00:31:47,610 --> 00:31:44,590
of the issues that you talk about in

754
00:31:50,779 --> 00:31:47,620
terms of deep state issues black

755
00:31:54,060 --> 00:31:50,789
helicopter issues alternative

756
00:31:56,879 --> 00:31:54,070
interpretations of the reality that were

757
00:32:00,269 --> 00:31:56,889
fed so I don't know that even a lot of

758
00:32:03,029 --> 00:32:00,279
people in his field have appreciated the

759
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:03,039
extent to which he's really looked at it

760
00:32:07,860 --> 00:32:05,530
from that perspective so on one hand I

761
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:07,870
found that incredibly refreshing but I

762
00:32:13,140 --> 00:32:11,010
also found his conclusions about that

763
00:32:17,270 --> 00:32:13,150
challenging in many ways since they do

764
00:32:21,510 --> 00:32:17,280
go against I think the conventional

765
00:32:24,570 --> 00:32:21,520
alternative media perception of the

766
00:32:26,190 --> 00:32:24,580
inevitability of a one-world State now I

767
00:32:28,500 --> 00:32:26,200
know I've shared the interview with you

768
00:32:31,230 --> 00:32:28,510
and you've had a chance to give it a

769
00:32:33,750 --> 00:32:31,240
listen maybe we can start if you could

770
00:32:37,050 --> 00:32:33,760
give people a sense of maybe just the

771
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:37,060
thumbnail sketch of a primer of New

772
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:38,890
World Order I mean what that even means

773
00:32:43,530 --> 00:32:41,650
how you first came across the term and

774
00:32:45,390 --> 00:32:43,540
what it means to people now and I know

775
00:32:47,460 --> 00:32:45,400
that could take an hour but it certainly

776
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:47,470
could in fact it could take several

777
00:32:51,660 --> 00:32:49,450
years as I've been doing at my website

778
00:32:53,100 --> 00:32:51,670
so I would suggest people try to if

779
00:32:54,330 --> 00:32:53,110
they're interested in this tried to take

780
00:32:55,530 --> 00:32:54,340
a look at some of the work I've done in

781
00:32:57,420 --> 00:32:55,540
the past but I guess the thumbnail

782
00:32:59,040 --> 00:32:57,430
sketch would be to say that although the

783
00:33:01,620 --> 00:32:59,050
New World Order sounds like some kind of

784
00:33:04,410 --> 00:33:01,630
strange and weird conspiracy tale it's

785
00:33:06,300 --> 00:33:04,420
in fact one of the oldest and most basic

786
00:33:08,430 --> 00:33:06,310
stories of history it's the quest for

787
00:33:11,220 --> 00:33:08,440
consolidation of total control in the

788
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:11,230
hands of a ruling clique and that should

789
00:33:15,380 --> 00:33:12,970
not come as a surprise to any student of

790
00:33:18,170 --> 00:33:15,390
history that's what so many different

791
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:18,180
emperors and and other would-be

792
00:33:22,410 --> 00:33:20,530
hangers-on to power in the past and have

793
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:22,420
lusted after and tried to consolidate

794
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:24,970
under their control in the past I don't

795
00:33:28,530 --> 00:33:26,650
think that the modern phenomenon is is

796
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:28,540
fundamentally different other than the

797
00:33:32,910 --> 00:33:30,370
fact that it is truly on a global scale

798
00:33:35,700 --> 00:33:32,920
at this point and the idea of a globally

799
00:33:36,930 --> 00:33:35,710
consolidated world government of some

800
00:33:39,180 --> 00:33:36,940
sort is something that is at least

801
00:33:42,020 --> 00:33:39,190
feasible I don't think it's likely to

802
00:33:44,550 --> 00:33:42,030
happen in the near future but it's as

803
00:33:47,460 --> 00:33:44,560
Professor Wendt talked about and as I

804
00:33:49,770 --> 00:33:47,470
actually agree I think that the the the

805
00:33:50,850 --> 00:33:49,780
logic of the situation leads us in that

806
00:33:52,260 --> 00:33:50,860
direction and I think we've been

807
00:33:54,330 --> 00:33:52,270
trending that way for a very long time

808
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:54,340
and I think people who are opposed to

809
00:33:58,620 --> 00:33:57,130
that idea like myself do themselves with

810
00:34:01,350 --> 00:33:58,630
this service by believing that the

811
00:34:03,810 --> 00:34:01,360
actual opposition to world government is

812
00:34:06,150 --> 00:34:03,820
going to come by adhering to nationalism

813
00:34:08,370 --> 00:34:06,160
I think that the as I say the logic of

814
00:34:09,899 --> 00:34:08,380
the nation-state now a mentality that

815
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:09,909
we've been fostered in for the last

816
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:11,890
couple of centuries leads us almost

817
00:34:16,050 --> 00:34:14,530
inevitably inexorably towards that

818
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:16,060
consolidation of control in a world

819
00:34:18,850 --> 00:34:16,610
governed

820
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:18,860
so I think we have to interrogate the

821
00:34:23,140 --> 00:34:20,930
actual roots of the philosophy that

822
00:34:25,510 --> 00:34:23,150
leads one in the direction of giving up

823
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:25,520
one's own individual sovereignty towards

824
00:34:29,500 --> 00:34:28,010
some sort of abstract collective and I

825
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:29,510
want you to talk about that because I

826
00:34:37,300 --> 00:34:33,050
know that's a very important Keystone to

827
00:34:39,490 --> 00:34:37,310
your personal philosophy I guess on how

828
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:39,500
to move forward with the situation we're

829
00:34:44,890 --> 00:34:41,810
in but just touch on for a minute you

830
00:34:47,100 --> 00:34:44,900
know the modern instantiation of the new

831
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:47,110
world order as it's been kind of

832
00:34:54,250 --> 00:34:51,170
popularly understood as this alternative

833
00:34:57,670 --> 00:34:54,260
you know scary out there conspiracy

834
00:35:01,660 --> 00:34:57,680
thing really started I think with george

835
00:35:03,820 --> 00:35:01,670
bush senior who fuel few people even

836
00:35:05,890 --> 00:35:03,830
remember anymore but he was the one who

837
00:35:08,260 --> 00:35:05,900
was really kind of open about using this

838
00:35:09,610 --> 00:35:08,270
phrase at the UN and in other places and

839
00:35:11,950 --> 00:35:09,620
saying new world order new world order

840
00:35:13,420 --> 00:35:11,960
and and then it kind of took on a life

841
00:35:15,070 --> 00:35:13,430
of its own where people really kind of

842
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:15,080
started calling him and then these guys

843
00:35:19,930 --> 00:35:17,570
just started outing themselves and using

844
00:35:21,340 --> 00:35:19,940
it more and more clinton jumps in there

845
00:35:22,660 --> 00:35:21,350
and says yeah I agree with Bush we

846
00:35:24,850 --> 00:35:22,670
needed a new world order and now they're

847
00:35:27,820 --> 00:35:24,860
all just kind of out there what's going

848
00:35:30,220 --> 00:35:27,830
on why are they so I guess upfront now

849
00:35:31,870 --> 00:35:30,230
about that they're just emboldened by

850
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:31,880
the unbold indict

851
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:35,330
they think they can pull it off well for

852
00:35:38,470 --> 00:35:37,010
the history of the term new world order

853
00:35:40,660 --> 00:35:38,480
I would go back a little bit further to

854
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:40,670
early 20th century when HG Wells

855
00:35:43,870 --> 00:35:42,290
actually wrote a book called the New

856
00:35:45,460 --> 00:35:43,880
World Order talking about this and of

857
00:35:47,020 --> 00:35:45,470
course Wells is known today as some sort

858
00:35:49,720 --> 00:35:47,030
of science fiction fantasy kind of

859
00:35:51,460 --> 00:35:49,730
author but was actually quite an

860
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:51,470
important political figure in his time

861
00:35:56,530 --> 00:35:53,690
and in fact wrote the what became the

862
00:35:57,850 --> 00:35:56,540
the United Nations Charter of Human

863
00:35:59,920 --> 00:35:57,860
Rights he actually wrote the first draft

864
00:36:01,240 --> 00:35:59,930
of that so he was he was actually quite

865
00:36:03,820 --> 00:36:01,250
an important political mover and shaker

866
00:36:05,050 --> 00:36:03,830
and in his formulation what he was

867
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:05,060
talking about was basically a

868
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:07,010
technocratic control grid that there was

869
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:08,210
going to be a world government that was

870
00:36:12,610 --> 00:36:10,130
going to be presided over by benevolent

871
00:36:14,140 --> 00:36:12,620
wonderful scientists and engineers who

872
00:36:16,510 --> 00:36:14,150
would find the best way to basically

873
00:36:17,770 --> 00:36:16,520
engineer society and I think that gets

874
00:36:20,470 --> 00:36:17,780
at the heart of what this idea

875
00:36:22,510 --> 00:36:20,480
ultimately is it's a lot of control

876
00:36:24,730 --> 00:36:22,520
freaks who believe they're going to

877
00:36:26,860 --> 00:36:24,740
socially engineer us all for our own

878
00:36:29,230 --> 00:36:26,870
best interests but I think on top of

879
00:36:30,430 --> 00:36:29,240
that there is the the ruling clique that

880
00:36:32,829 --> 00:36:30,440
really funds

881
00:36:35,319 --> 00:36:32,839
that those scientists and engineers and

882
00:36:36,849 --> 00:36:35,329
their their research projects along for

883
00:36:38,770 --> 00:36:36,859
the purpose of consolidating that

884
00:36:41,230 --> 00:36:38,780
control in their own hands and I think

885
00:36:44,290 --> 00:36:41,240
for for much more sinister purposes so

886
00:36:46,630 --> 00:36:44,300
the the this term has a pedigree and it

887
00:36:49,240 --> 00:36:46,640
goes back at least a century in terms of

888
00:36:50,770 --> 00:36:49,250
that formulation new world order and it

889
00:36:52,390 --> 00:36:50,780
has been propounded by a lot of people

890
00:36:54,370 --> 00:36:52,400
in the past for example in world war ii

891
00:36:56,559 --> 00:36:54,380
hitler like to talk about the the new

892
00:36:59,290 --> 00:36:56,569
world order and at that time explicitly

893
00:37:02,170 --> 00:36:59,300
a lot of the anti-nazi types of cartoons

894
00:37:04,150 --> 00:37:02,180
and things even that you got from from

895
00:37:06,220 --> 00:37:04,160
disney and other places like that would

896
00:37:07,660 --> 00:37:06,230
would actually make fun of the new world

897
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:07,670
order and things like this it was it was

898
00:37:13,030 --> 00:37:09,530
quite a coup taunt at that time yes it

899
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:13,040
does have a third reich ring it

900
00:37:17,230 --> 00:37:15,170
certainly should i think because i think

901
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:17,240
that is a good way of understanding the

902
00:37:21,069 --> 00:37:19,130
kind of quest that the people who are

903
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:21,079
promoting it are on but it did obviously

904
00:37:25,329 --> 00:37:23,690
go out of fashion after after that for

905
00:37:27,940 --> 00:37:25,339
for some time and as you say was brought

906
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:27,950
back right into the heart of the sort of

907
00:37:33,670 --> 00:37:30,530
the upper political echelon zand that

908
00:37:36,579 --> 00:37:33,680
the policy wonks with george bush's 1990

909
00:37:38,260 --> 00:37:36,589
speech so from that point on it has been

910
00:37:40,660 --> 00:37:38,270
much more open but it still talked about

911
00:37:41,980 --> 00:37:40,670
of course quite a bit by the Henry

912
00:37:44,559 --> 00:37:41,990
Kissinger's and speaking of presence

913
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:44,569
keys and other types of academic movers

914
00:37:48,220 --> 00:37:46,130
and shakers behind the scenes who have

915
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:48,230
been involved in a number of different

916
00:37:53,559 --> 00:37:50,450
administration's going back decades now

917
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:53,569
and I think that the reason that it's

918
00:37:57,309 --> 00:37:55,490
coming out now is because it really is

919
00:37:59,890 --> 00:37:57,319
politically feasible I mean the reason

920
00:38:02,559 --> 00:37:59,900
that George HW Bush brought it out in

921
00:38:04,630 --> 00:38:02,569
1990 was because it was the end of the

922
00:38:07,150 --> 00:38:04,640
the Cold War era it was the beginning of

923
00:38:08,859 --> 00:38:07,160
a new world order it was the chance to

924
00:38:11,890 --> 00:38:08,869
bring about a new world order and of

925
00:38:13,540 --> 00:38:11,900
course he framed that in the the idea of

926
00:38:15,250 --> 00:38:13,550
a rule of law

927
00:38:16,870 --> 00:38:15,260
amongst nations no longer will we have

928
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:16,880
the rule of the jungle in international

929
00:38:21,339 --> 00:38:18,770
politics now we have the chance for a

930
00:38:23,740 --> 00:38:21,349
new world order in which nations will

931
00:38:25,690 --> 00:38:23,750
all cooperate together and will have

932
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:25,700
peace and harmony which was interesting

933
00:38:29,260 --> 00:38:27,170
because he was introducing this at the

934
00:38:31,540 --> 00:38:29,270
same time as he was ramping up for the

935
00:38:33,309 --> 00:38:31,550
first Gulf War so the new world order

936
00:38:35,140 --> 00:38:33,319
was being introduced as peace even in

937
00:38:37,210 --> 00:38:35,150
the midst of war which i think is

938
00:38:39,190 --> 00:38:37,220
probably telling if the philosophy as a

939
00:38:41,230 --> 00:38:39,200
whole and it's been promoted along those

940
00:38:43,269 --> 00:38:41,240
lines but interestingly again it is

941
00:38:44,999 --> 00:38:43,279
always in crisis in war

942
00:38:48,269 --> 00:38:45,009
mayhem and chaos that it is used

943
00:38:50,109 --> 00:38:48,279
directly after 9/11 there was a

944
00:38:52,269 --> 00:38:50,119
influential member of the Council on

945
00:38:54,179 --> 00:38:52,279
Foreign Relations Gary Hart who came out

946
00:38:56,949 --> 00:38:54,189
and said I think this is the time for

947
00:38:58,989 --> 00:38:56,959
George W Bush to do what his father

948
00:39:01,659 --> 00:38:58,999
talked about and that's create a new

949
00:39:04,149 --> 00:39:01,669
world order and the other such phrases

950
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:04,159
like that became quite quite fashionable

951
00:39:09,939 --> 00:39:06,890
right after 9/11 and then right after

952
00:39:10,870 --> 00:39:09,949
the 2008 economic crisis with the Lehman

953
00:39:13,630 --> 00:39:10,880
Brothers collapse

954
00:39:16,329 --> 00:39:13,640
you saw the g20 in London that was held

955
00:39:17,620 --> 00:39:16,339
in April of 2009 the phrase new world

956
00:39:19,179 --> 00:39:17,630
order if you even just typed that into

957
00:39:22,630 --> 00:39:19,189
Google in quotation marks new world

958
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:22,640
order g20 2009 you will get literally

959
00:39:27,759 --> 00:39:25,249
hundreds of references from CNN and and

960
00:39:29,199 --> 00:39:27,769
other mainstream publications talking

961
00:39:31,269 --> 00:39:29,209
about this is the time to create a new

962
00:39:33,339 --> 00:39:31,279
world order so it's it's usually phrased

963
00:39:35,259 --> 00:39:33,349
in that way that this is some way to

964
00:39:36,969 --> 00:39:35,269
completely reshape the way that we think

965
00:39:39,819 --> 00:39:36,979
of international relations in the wake

966
00:39:42,249 --> 00:39:39,829
of any crisis and okay and I wanted to

967
00:39:44,380 --> 00:39:42,259
put off that line of thought or going

968
00:39:47,019 --> 00:39:44,390
down but I don't think we can and we're

969
00:39:49,779 --> 00:39:47,029
gonna have to put dr. Wendt on the back

970
00:39:53,079 --> 00:39:49,789
burner for one more second because we

971
00:39:58,059 --> 00:39:53,089
also see the advance of the new world

972
00:39:59,799 --> 00:39:58,069
order agenda in Manisa be steamrolling

973
00:40:02,079 --> 00:39:59,809
now we're rolling it into everything so

974
00:40:04,749 --> 00:40:02,089
climate change we need a new world order

975
00:40:07,449 --> 00:40:04,759
GMO we need a new world order everything

976
00:40:08,890 --> 00:40:07,459
that comes along is being tied to that

977
00:40:10,390 --> 00:40:08,900
name climate change is one of the most

978
00:40:13,089 --> 00:40:10,400
dramatic ones now they're saying oh my

979
00:40:14,199 --> 00:40:13,099
gosh this this carbon tax we're gonna

980
00:40:16,479 --> 00:40:14,209
need and we're going to need to

981
00:40:18,370 --> 00:40:16,489
implement this on a worldwide basis aha

982
00:40:21,519 --> 00:40:18,380
here here's a great place where we need

983
00:40:25,479 --> 00:40:21,529
the New World Order so this fear that

984
00:40:28,870 --> 00:40:25,489
many have had about the coming pressure

985
00:40:29,679 --> 00:40:28,880
towards New World Order is fulfilling

986
00:40:32,169 --> 00:40:29,689
itself

987
00:40:35,259 --> 00:40:32,179
at every turn it seems more and more

988
00:40:37,769 --> 00:40:35,269
with every new major news event that

989
00:40:39,849 --> 00:40:37,779
comes about wouldn't you agree

990
00:40:41,949 --> 00:40:39,859
unfortunately I have to agree because

991
00:40:45,399 --> 00:40:41,959
again I think given the logic of the

992
00:40:47,229 --> 00:40:45,409
situation every crisis is a potential

993
00:40:48,909 --> 00:40:47,239
opportunity for those who are seeking to

994
00:40:50,380 --> 00:40:48,919
consolidate more power in their own

995
00:40:52,539 --> 00:40:50,390
hands this is not a new political

996
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:52,549
phenomenon it has been noted for a very

997
00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:54,890
long time and just one example of that

998
00:40:59,810 --> 00:40:57,570
HL Mencken back in 1918 wrote

999
00:41:01,670 --> 00:40:59,820
the whole aim of practical politics is

1000
00:41:03,860 --> 00:41:01,680
to keep the populace alarmed and hence

1001
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:03,870
clamorous to be led to safety by

1002
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:05,490
menacing it with an endless series of

1003
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:07,890
hobgoblins most of them imaginary and

1004
00:41:12,620 --> 00:41:10,410
that sentiment has been repeated a

1005
00:41:14,630 --> 00:41:12,630
number of times over the years Winston

1006
00:41:17,330 --> 00:41:14,640
Churchill is supposed to have said never

1007
00:41:19,010 --> 00:41:17,340
let a good crisis go to waste

1008
00:41:21,590 --> 00:41:19,020
whether or not he actually did say that

1009
00:41:23,540 --> 00:41:21,600
Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel former chief

1010
00:41:25,430 --> 00:41:23,550
of staff of Obama really did say that on

1011
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:25,440
camera a few years ago so people can

1012
00:41:29,540 --> 00:41:26,490
look that up on YouTube

1013
00:41:31,790 --> 00:41:29,550
the idea here is that any any crisis any

1014
00:41:33,470 --> 00:41:31,800
problem is an opportunity for those who

1015
00:41:35,810 --> 00:41:33,480
want to do something that otherwise

1016
00:41:38,240 --> 00:41:35,820
would be politically unpopular to

1017
00:41:40,010 --> 00:41:38,250
implement that agenda and let's just

1018
00:41:42,470 --> 00:41:40,020
take the most recent events as an

1019
00:41:45,050 --> 00:41:42,480
example in the wake of the the Paris

1020
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:45,060
attacks suddenly there's all sorts of

1021
00:41:49,250 --> 00:41:46,890
things that would have been politically

1022
00:41:52,490 --> 00:41:49,260
economically unfeasible suddenly become

1023
00:41:54,770 --> 00:41:52,500
almost almost necessary or quote-unquote

1024
00:41:56,900 --> 00:41:54,780
necessary so for example the French

1025
00:42:00,170 --> 00:41:56,910
government was recently chided by the EU

1026
00:42:02,660 --> 00:42:00,180
for breaking its its budget deficit

1027
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:02,670
goals that the EU is attempting to set

1028
00:42:07,220 --> 00:42:05,370
for its member nations but now that this

1029
00:42:10,790 --> 00:42:07,230
has happened France is swatting that

1030
00:42:13,100 --> 00:42:10,800
aside invoking 42.7 of the EU charter to

1031
00:42:14,420 --> 00:42:13,110
say well we we are we're under attack so

1032
00:42:16,700 --> 00:42:14,430
we we don't have to listen to your

1033
00:42:18,770 --> 00:42:16,710
budget goals we're gonna you know spend

1034
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:18,780
all this money on wrapping up security

1035
00:42:23,150 --> 00:42:21,690
or for example before the Paris attacks

1036
00:42:25,700 --> 00:42:23,160
the EU Parliament one of the largest

1037
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:25,710
groups in the U Parliament proposed the

1038
00:42:30,020 --> 00:42:28,170
creation of a standing you army which

1039
00:42:31,850 --> 00:42:30,030
was not taken very seriously by anyone

1040
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:31,860
at the time after the attacks the

1041
00:42:34,820 --> 00:42:33,090
President of the European Commission

1042
00:42:37,220 --> 00:42:34,830
himself is coming out calling for an

1043
00:42:39,470 --> 00:42:37,230
creation of a standing army and people

1044
00:42:41,510 --> 00:42:39,480
are starting to listen so again every

1045
00:42:44,030 --> 00:42:41,520
time there is a crisis no matter really

1046
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:44,040
where that crisis is coming from that is

1047
00:42:48,260 --> 00:42:46,650
used as a chance for people in positions

1048
00:42:50,930 --> 00:42:48,270
of power to further consolidate their

1049
00:42:52,790 --> 00:42:50,940
power and that's why it's unfortunately

1050
00:42:55,010 --> 00:42:52,800
it's extremely easy to move in that

1051
00:42:56,420 --> 00:42:55,020
direction all that has to be done is to

1052
00:42:58,820 --> 00:42:56,430
convince the public that there is a

1053
00:43:00,830 --> 00:42:58,830
threat serious enough and and that the

1054
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:00,840
only solution of course is to give these

1055
00:43:05,180 --> 00:43:03,210
these people in positions of power more

1056
00:43:07,310 --> 00:43:05,190
power to do what they apparently weren't

1057
00:43:09,500 --> 00:43:07,320
doing before the crisis happened and

1058
00:43:10,769 --> 00:43:09,510
what they apparently have had on their

1059
00:43:12,329 --> 00:43:10,779
agenda

1060
00:43:15,449 --> 00:43:12,339
a long time and they seem to be very

1061
00:43:17,969 --> 00:43:15,459
patient if we really read it with any

1062
00:43:20,039 --> 00:43:17,979
kind of lens towards history we can see

1063
00:43:22,679 --> 00:43:20,049
that they're they're very deliberate and

1064
00:43:25,979 --> 00:43:22,689
very patient towards moving towards

1065
00:43:29,549 --> 00:43:25,989
their goal so if we accept for a minute

1066
00:43:32,039 --> 00:43:29,559
that this one world government is part

1067
00:43:34,849 --> 00:43:32,049
of the agenda of I hate to say the

1068
00:43:37,259 --> 00:43:34,859
ruling elite because that sounds so

1069
00:43:40,559 --> 00:43:37,269
conspiratorial but let's just leave it

1070
00:43:41,809 --> 00:43:40,569
there I think that's a perfect place to

1071
00:43:44,609 --> 00:43:41,819
bring back

1072
00:43:48,539 --> 00:43:44,619
Alexander wentz article on the

1073
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:48,549
inevitability of the one world's the new

1074
00:43:53,909 --> 00:43:50,650
world order as it or as he calls it the

1075
00:43:58,349 --> 00:43:53,919
world state one world state because I

1076
00:44:01,529 --> 00:43:58,359
think he has in that given us some

1077
00:44:05,130 --> 00:44:01,539
reasons why we may want to reconsider it

1078
00:44:08,309 --> 00:44:05,140
despite all the horrible abuses that

1079
00:44:10,109 --> 00:44:08,319
have gone on in order to kind of advance

1080
00:44:11,609 --> 00:44:10,119
that agenda and that of course is my

1081
00:44:13,409 --> 00:44:11,619
read of what's going on it's your

1082
00:44:15,419 --> 00:44:13,419
happens to be your read to and I

1083
00:44:17,579 --> 00:44:15,429
challenge anyone who's really looked

1084
00:44:19,499 --> 00:44:17,589
into the evidence to see it much

1085
00:44:21,899 --> 00:44:19,509
differently but that's what I thought

1086
00:44:24,479 --> 00:44:21,909
was intriguing about went so he's saying

1087
00:44:26,249 --> 00:44:24,489
first let's go through the points and

1088
00:44:29,009 --> 00:44:26,259
and hear your response first he's saying

1089
00:44:32,549 --> 00:44:29,019
guys this is inevitable just if we look

1090
00:44:35,669 --> 00:44:32,559
at a long enough time frame of course

1091
00:44:37,799 --> 00:44:35,679
we're going to get to one state it

1092
00:44:40,799 --> 00:44:37,809
doesn't make sense to have all these

1093
00:44:42,479 --> 00:44:40,809
this chaos basically with all these

1094
00:44:45,390 --> 00:44:42,489
states running around with their own

1095
00:44:47,729 --> 00:44:45,400
agenda and now in a nuclear age

1096
00:44:50,429 --> 00:44:47,739
when people can destroy each other it's

1097
00:44:52,229 --> 00:44:50,439
just not where we want to be add to that

1098
00:44:54,269 --> 00:44:52,239
of course globalization and the fact

1099
00:44:56,999 --> 00:44:54,279
that our economies are intertwined and

1100
00:44:59,759 --> 00:44:57,009
it looks more and more inevitable maybe

1101
00:45:01,799 --> 00:44:59,769
not in five years ten years 50 years but

1102
00:45:04,620 --> 00:45:01,809
if you put enough a long enough time

1103
00:45:08,909 --> 00:45:04,630
frame on it isn't a one-world State

1104
00:45:11,939 --> 00:45:08,919
inevitable well as I say I do agree with

1105
00:45:14,279 --> 00:45:11,949
the the the fundamental point being made

1106
00:45:16,259 --> 00:45:14,289
here and this goes this goes back to

1107
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:16,269
really what has been a two century long

1108
00:45:20,309 --> 00:45:17,890
process of brainwashing that's been

1109
00:45:22,439 --> 00:45:20,319
remarkably effective the idea of the

1110
00:45:24,180 --> 00:45:22,449
nation-state of nationalism is not

1111
00:45:26,069 --> 00:45:24,190
inherent to our

1112
00:45:28,349 --> 00:45:26,079
sure as human-beings it didn't really

1113
00:45:29,819 --> 00:45:28,359
exist very very much in the way that we

1114
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:29,829
think of it today before the 19th

1115
00:45:34,559 --> 00:45:31,930
century and that was when there was a

1116
00:45:36,710 --> 00:45:34,569
battle at llena in then Prussia

1117
00:45:39,780 --> 00:45:36,720
modern-day Germany where Napoleon

1118
00:45:41,190 --> 00:45:39,790
swiftly seuss crushingly defeated the

1119
00:45:43,319 --> 00:45:41,200
depression army and brought them under

1120
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:43,329
subject subjection to the the French

1121
00:45:47,609 --> 00:45:45,490
Empire and it was such a humiliating

1122
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:47,619
defeat that through a series of events

1123
00:45:52,890 --> 00:45:49,690
the German philosopher Johann Gottlieb

1124
00:45:55,050 --> 00:45:52,900
fished was was compelled to deliver an

1125
00:45:57,780 --> 00:45:55,060
address to the German nation where he

1126
00:45:59,520 --> 00:45:57,790
talked about the aim of the state is

1127
00:46:01,020 --> 00:45:59,530
positive law internal peace in a

1128
00:46:02,849 --> 00:46:01,030
condition of affairs in which everyone

1129
00:46:05,010 --> 00:46:02,859
may by diligence are in his daily bread

1130
00:46:07,290 --> 00:46:05,020
and satisfy the needs of his material

1131
00:46:09,630 --> 00:46:07,300
existence that is why this love of

1132
00:46:11,579 --> 00:46:09,640
fatherland must itself govern the state

1133
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:11,589
and be the supreme final and absolute

1134
00:46:15,809 --> 00:46:14,410
authority its first exercises of this

1135
00:46:17,579 --> 00:46:15,819
authority will be to limit the state's

1136
00:46:19,890 --> 00:46:17,589
choice of means to secure its immediate

1137
00:46:21,450 --> 00:46:19,900
object internal peace to attain this

1138
00:46:24,540 --> 00:46:21,460
object the natural freedom of the

1139
00:46:27,150 --> 00:46:24,550
individual must of course be limited in

1140
00:46:29,940 --> 00:46:27,160
many ways and he went on to talk about

1141
00:46:32,190 --> 00:46:29,950
how this love of fatherland that was so

1142
00:46:33,329 --> 00:46:32,200
absolutely primal to this was going to

1143
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:33,339
have to be instituted by the

1144
00:46:38,700 --> 00:46:36,130
establishment of a means of education

1145
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:38,710
that would indoctrinate the children

1146
00:46:43,589 --> 00:46:40,690
into this and this is all talked about

1147
00:46:45,839 --> 00:46:43,599
quite openly and and was taken fully on

1148
00:46:48,450 --> 00:46:45,849
board in Prussia at the time and the

1149
00:46:50,579 --> 00:46:48,460
Prussian education system that developed

1150
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:50,589
as a result of this is the model for the

1151
00:46:55,079 --> 00:46:53,290
system that we have in most of the world

1152
00:46:56,609 --> 00:46:55,089
today including where I am here in Japan

1153
00:46:58,800 --> 00:46:56,619
and where you are in the United States

1154
00:47:00,650 --> 00:46:58,810
that is the model that most of the world

1155
00:47:03,870 --> 00:47:00,660
relies on today including of course

1156
00:47:07,170 --> 00:47:03,880
kindergarten literally a German word for

1157
00:47:09,030 --> 00:47:07,180
child garden and so much of it has been

1158
00:47:12,150 --> 00:47:09,040
completely adopted and what that has

1159
00:47:15,390 --> 00:47:12,160
done it has convinced people into this

1160
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:15,400
idea this love of fatherland that as I

1161
00:47:20,270 --> 00:47:16,930
say was not some sort of inherent

1162
00:47:23,309 --> 00:47:20,280
natural state of nature and once you get

1163
00:47:25,530 --> 00:47:23,319
enough of the population believing that

1164
00:47:27,240 --> 00:47:25,540
that is their identity is somehow

1165
00:47:29,339 --> 00:47:27,250
completely tied into some sort of

1166
00:47:30,390 --> 00:47:29,349
abstract collective like that interests

1167
00:47:32,339 --> 00:47:30,400
the question of swapping out one

1168
00:47:34,260 --> 00:47:32,349
abstract collective for another so

1169
00:47:36,420 --> 00:47:34,270
instead of rallying around the flag of

1170
00:47:37,830 --> 00:47:36,430
the United States well why not rally

1171
00:47:39,270 --> 00:47:37,840
around the flag of

1172
00:47:41,370 --> 00:47:39,280
North American Union or the United

1173
00:47:42,720 --> 00:47:41,380
Nations or whatever whatever else you

1174
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:42,730
want to swap it out I mean obviously

1175
00:47:46,740 --> 00:47:44,890
that will require more brainwashing and

1176
00:47:48,210 --> 00:47:46,750
indoctrinating and Doctrine ation to get

1177
00:47:50,070 --> 00:47:48,220
people to switch over but it's certainly

1178
00:47:51,630 --> 00:47:50,080
there's no there's no fundamental reason

1179
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:51,640
that can't be attained so I think again

1180
00:47:56,670 --> 00:47:54,130
within that that system where we do have

1181
00:47:58,260 --> 00:47:56,680
to support subordinate ourselves and our

1182
00:48:00,900 --> 00:47:58,270
our individual freedom to this

1183
00:48:02,070 --> 00:48:00,910
collective so that with the state can

1184
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:02,080
have supreme final and absolute

1185
00:48:07,260 --> 00:48:04,450
authority once you buy into that system

1186
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:07,270
yes ultimately eventually it is going to

1187
00:48:10,860 --> 00:48:08,890
consolidate into a single system of

1188
00:48:12,390 --> 00:48:10,870
control yeah but see that's what I think

1189
00:48:14,790 --> 00:48:12,400
is refreshing about went

1190
00:48:17,190 --> 00:48:14,800
I mean he's taking the argument of

1191
00:48:19,770 --> 00:48:17,200
individualism versus collectivism and

1192
00:48:23,010 --> 00:48:19,780
saying hey guys that isn't necessarily

1193
00:48:24,660 --> 00:48:23,020
bound up with one world state and as

1194
00:48:28,740 --> 00:48:24,670
matter of fact he gives some good

1195
00:48:30,860 --> 00:48:28,750
reasons why it may be better in terms of

1196
00:48:34,410 --> 00:48:30,870
us maintaining our individualism

1197
00:48:37,070 --> 00:48:34,420
maintaining our our inherent rights if

1198
00:48:39,930 --> 00:48:37,080
you will under a one world state then

1199
00:48:41,580 --> 00:48:39,940
through the Anarchy that's created in

1200
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:41,590
the situation that we have now if you

1201
00:48:44,910 --> 00:48:43,090
remember in the interview I think that's

1202
00:48:46,260 --> 00:48:44,920
one of his points and I think it's a

1203
00:48:48,450 --> 00:48:46,270
good one you know in the current

1204
00:48:51,450 --> 00:48:48,460
situation where you can just get

1205
00:48:53,190 --> 00:48:51,460
together your secret spy seal whatever

1206
00:48:54,900 --> 00:48:53,200
you want to call them group and go

1207
00:48:57,240 --> 00:48:54,910
abduct people and take them to some

1208
00:48:59,420 --> 00:48:57,250
foreign country you can just throw money

1209
00:49:01,770 --> 00:48:59,430
around I mean how could it be a worse

1210
00:49:03,780 --> 00:49:01,780
situation than that there is ZERO

1211
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:03,790
accountability so we can go in and we

1212
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:05,890
can kill hundreds of thousands of women

1213
00:49:10,410 --> 00:49:07,810
and children in Iraq and there's no

1214
00:49:11,450 --> 00:49:10,420
accountability I mean how can it really

1215
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:11,460
be worse

1216
00:49:18,030 --> 00:49:16,090
handing the people who are behind the

1217
00:49:20,070 --> 00:49:18,040
system as it exists today even more

1218
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:20,080
power and less accountability because

1219
00:49:24,090 --> 00:49:22,090
ultimately the the point I think is that

1220
00:49:27,450 --> 00:49:24,100
once you have a world system of

1221
00:49:29,130 --> 00:49:27,460
governance then if by some happenstance

1222
00:49:32,070 --> 00:49:29,140
wouldn't you know it that system of

1223
00:49:33,720 --> 00:49:32,080
governments gets taken over or hijacked

1224
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:33,730
or is put into place as I would put it

1225
00:49:38,610 --> 00:49:36,850
by the same types of psychopathic ruling

1226
00:49:40,620 --> 00:49:38,620
clique that that are currently in charge

1227
00:49:43,530 --> 00:49:40,630
of well much of the world today and of

1228
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:43,540
course some of the out-of-control powers

1229
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:46,330
in the world then what what would be the

1230
00:49:50,970 --> 00:49:48,970
recourse to that especially in a world

1231
00:49:51,749 --> 00:49:50,980
government that's presided over by the

1232
00:49:54,659 --> 00:49:51,759
types of tech

1233
00:49:56,639 --> 00:49:54,669
logical control grid technologies that

1234
00:49:59,039 --> 00:49:56,649
are coming into place with tracking and

1235
00:50:00,269 --> 00:49:59,049
surveillance and basically the ability

1236
00:50:02,549 --> 00:50:00,279
of the state to know what you're doing

1237
00:50:04,069 --> 00:50:02,559
at all times and to restrict your your

1238
00:50:06,089 --> 00:50:04,079
movements and things of that nature

1239
00:50:08,069 --> 00:50:06,099
we're looking at something that's not

1240
00:50:09,809 --> 00:50:08,079
only um not not only sort of the

1241
00:50:11,699 --> 00:50:09,819
ultimate nightmare of people fighting

1242
00:50:13,409 --> 00:50:11,709
fighting the Nazis back in World War two

1243
00:50:15,329 --> 00:50:13,419
or what have you thought you know well

1244
00:50:17,579 --> 00:50:15,339
what if what if Hitler takes over the

1245
00:50:19,669 --> 00:50:17,589
world I mean at this point it's not just

1246
00:50:21,809 --> 00:50:19,679
that it's that there's actually a

1247
00:50:24,029 --> 00:50:21,819
technological grid behind this that

1248
00:50:26,399 --> 00:50:24,039
would allow the types of control over

1249
00:50:29,189 --> 00:50:26,409
society that no previous dictator in

1250
00:50:31,079 --> 00:50:29,199
history could have even dreamed of and I

1251
00:50:32,489 --> 00:50:31,089
think it's important to understand I

1252
00:50:34,859 --> 00:50:32,499
mean there's a couple of ways of

1253
00:50:36,629 --> 00:50:34,869
answering that objection and one of them

1254
00:50:38,309 --> 00:50:36,639
I think would be immediately

1255
00:50:40,259 --> 00:50:38,319
understandable to yourself and I imagine

1256
00:50:42,389 --> 00:50:40,269
your whole audience which is to say it's

1257
00:50:43,709 --> 00:50:42,399
a matter of principle really more so

1258
00:50:45,629 --> 00:50:43,719
than it is about the utilitarian

1259
00:50:46,829 --> 00:50:45,639
consequentialist argument wouldn't it be

1260
00:50:49,469 --> 00:50:46,839
better if we all lived in that society

1261
00:50:51,059 --> 00:50:49,479
and the the the question of principle is

1262
00:50:52,739 --> 00:50:51,069
one as I say I think should appeal to

1263
00:50:54,479 --> 00:50:52,749
yourself and your audience because it's

1264
00:50:56,819 --> 00:50:54,489
the exact same objection that people

1265
00:50:59,189 --> 00:50:56,829
might raise with you saying Alex Alex

1266
00:51:01,909 --> 00:50:59,199
why do you why do you keep fighting so

1267
00:51:04,709 --> 00:51:01,919
hard against this materialist philosophy

1268
00:51:06,209 --> 00:51:04,719
who cares if it's right or wrong it

1269
00:51:07,769 --> 00:51:06,219
builds us a better toaster and

1270
00:51:09,059 --> 00:51:07,779
ultimately doesn't that isn't that

1271
00:51:11,249 --> 00:51:09,069
better I mean it makes your life a bit

1272
00:51:13,259 --> 00:51:11,259
better and of course that isn't the

1273
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:13,269
point the point I assume of what you're

1274
00:51:18,299 --> 00:51:15,249
doing is to try to get at truth and to

1275
00:51:20,489 --> 00:51:18,309
actually you know expose that to to more

1276
00:51:23,039 --> 00:51:20,499
people and get people to think about

1277
00:51:24,539 --> 00:51:23,049
that so I would say again it's it's more

1278
00:51:26,579 --> 00:51:24,549
a question of principle and the

1279
00:51:28,199 --> 00:51:26,589
principle of it is that there is there

1280
00:51:31,499 --> 00:51:28,209
is a certain fundamental moral

1281
00:51:33,989 --> 00:51:31,509
principles that cannot be breached by

1282
00:51:35,759 --> 00:51:33,999
any people wearing any hats proclaiming

1283
00:51:37,439 --> 00:51:35,769
whatever kind of authority of any funny

1284
00:51:38,939 --> 00:51:37,449
badges they might have that they they

1285
00:51:41,099 --> 00:51:38,949
think gives them special rights to do

1286
00:51:43,019 --> 00:51:41,109
things that you and I can't do like use

1287
00:51:44,999 --> 00:51:43,029
force fraud and coercion against others

1288
00:51:46,499 --> 00:51:45,009
to do things against peaceful people to

1289
00:51:48,419 --> 00:51:46,509
do things against their will I think no

1290
00:51:50,189 --> 00:51:48,429
one has the right to do that but beyond

1291
00:51:52,589 --> 00:51:50,199
the matter of principle which is

1292
00:51:54,179 --> 00:51:52,599
ultimately what I would argue on I think

1293
00:51:56,099 --> 00:51:54,189
if there's also a consequentialist

1294
00:51:59,669 --> 00:51:56,109
argument to be made here that this would

1295
00:52:02,789 --> 00:51:59,679
in fact be absolutely in an absolute

1296
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:02,799
sense it would be nightmarish to to give

1297
00:52:07,980 --> 00:52:05,290
this type of power in control

1298
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:07,990
a bloodthirsty psychopathic elite who

1299
00:52:13,740 --> 00:52:11,170
really do lust after the large-scale

1300
00:52:16,110 --> 00:52:13,750
reduction of the human population so

1301
00:52:18,780 --> 00:52:16,120
that they will ultimately use technology

1302
00:52:21,450 --> 00:52:18,790
to rule over a very small clique of

1303
00:52:22,380 --> 00:52:21,460
humans that are allowed to to basically

1304
00:52:24,240 --> 00:52:22,390
live on this planet

1305
00:52:26,010 --> 00:52:24,250
it might sound far-fetched but let's put

1306
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:26,020
that in some historical perspective of

1307
00:52:31,290 --> 00:52:28,770
the type of Psychopaths who have written

1308
00:52:33,090 --> 00:52:31,300
before you do that no I will I will

1309
00:52:35,490 --> 00:52:33,100
continue with this so let's look at some

1310
00:52:37,590 --> 00:52:35,500
of the examples of people like this and

1311
00:52:40,230 --> 00:52:37,600
let's look at a very interesting family

1312
00:52:42,300 --> 00:52:40,240
that goes back to the mid 19th century

1313
00:52:44,580 --> 00:52:42,310
there was someone named dr. bill

1314
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:44,590
Livingston who passed himself off as a

1315
00:52:48,450 --> 00:52:46,810
celebrated cancer specialist and he

1316
00:52:50,820 --> 00:52:48,460
roamed around the New York State

1317
00:52:53,250 --> 00:52:50,830
countryside selling literally selling

1318
00:52:57,090 --> 00:52:53,260
snake oil to the trusting population of

1319
00:53:01,200 --> 00:52:57,100
New York State and he was a lovable

1320
00:53:03,270 --> 00:53:01,210
rogue he was a dashing man who used his

1321
00:53:05,550 --> 00:53:03,280
good shot looks and good looks and charm

1322
00:53:08,010 --> 00:53:05,560
to basically swindle people out of money

1323
00:53:09,990 --> 00:53:08,020
time and time again pretending to be

1324
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:10,000
deaf and dumb and using a slate to to

1325
00:53:13,710 --> 00:53:11,410
converse with people begging for money

1326
00:53:17,130 --> 00:53:13,720
that type of thing just ridiculous types

1327
00:53:21,750 --> 00:53:17,140
of little schemes like that and he had a

1328
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:21,760
family which he then destroyed by raping

1329
00:53:26,190 --> 00:53:23,890
one of the maids of the family and

1330
00:53:30,050 --> 00:53:26,200
fathering children with her running away

1331
00:53:33,300 --> 00:53:30,060
when they tried to arrest him for it

1332
00:53:36,330 --> 00:53:33,310
engaging in bigamy and in Canada he had

1333
00:53:38,340 --> 00:53:36,340
a very strange life and was constantly

1334
00:53:40,020 --> 00:53:38,350
on the run from the law but one thing

1335
00:53:42,060 --> 00:53:40,030
that he did teach his children before he

1336
00:53:44,790 --> 00:53:42,070
ultimately abandoned them was that

1337
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:44,800
basically how to sweet cheat and swindle

1338
00:53:49,290 --> 00:53:47,530
other people in fact he said I always

1339
00:53:51,150 --> 00:53:49,300
cheat my children every chance I get I

1340
00:53:53,070 --> 00:53:51,160
want to make them sharp and this is

1341
00:53:54,750 --> 00:53:53,080
interesting not because this is dr. bill

1342
00:53:56,700 --> 00:53:54,760
Livingston that was just a name that he

1343
00:53:58,670 --> 00:53:56,710
made up to avoid the law it's because

1344
00:54:01,470 --> 00:53:58,680
his actual name was William Livingston

1345
00:54:03,510 --> 00:54:01,480
Rockefeller and he was the father of

1346
00:54:06,090 --> 00:54:03,520
john d rockefeller who of course went on

1347
00:54:08,670 --> 00:54:06,100
to found Standard Oil which through the

1348
00:54:11,010 --> 00:54:08,680
most unscrupulous practices managed to

1349
00:54:13,170 --> 00:54:11,020
rise to the position of oil monopoly in

1350
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:13,180
the late 19th century and founded the

1351
00:54:18,150 --> 00:54:16,210
Rockefeller family fortune and by the

1352
00:54:19,210 --> 00:54:18,160
late 19th early 20th century the

1353
00:54:21,540 --> 00:54:19,220
Rockefeller family

1354
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:21,550
well john d rockefeller specifically was

1355
00:54:26,950 --> 00:54:24,170
reviled by the american public

1356
00:54:28,450 --> 00:54:26,960
they absolutely detested the man because

1357
00:54:30,970 --> 00:54:28,460
he was the symbol of everything that was

1358
00:54:32,950 --> 00:54:30,980
that was wrong about this lust for money

1359
00:54:35,890 --> 00:54:32,960
and power and he was popularly

1360
00:54:37,540 --> 00:54:35,900
charactered as this Colossus basically

1361
00:54:40,540 --> 00:54:37,550
holding the US government in his hand

1362
00:54:43,890 --> 00:54:40,550
and and Standard Oil was an octopus

1363
00:54:46,569 --> 00:54:43,900
taking over the planet at that time

1364
00:54:48,550 --> 00:54:46,579
Rockefeller decided to turn his money

1365
00:54:50,380 --> 00:54:48,560
his fortune into political power by

1366
00:54:51,940 --> 00:54:50,390
becoming the most wonderful

1367
00:54:53,559 --> 00:54:51,950
philanthropist on the planet and

1368
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:53,569
founding the Rockefeller Foundation in

1369
00:54:59,290 --> 00:54:56,810
1913 which then started funding a whole

1370
00:55:01,870 --> 00:54:59,300
series of things one of which was the

1371
00:55:03,490 --> 00:55:01,880
American eugenics movement which for

1372
00:55:05,319 --> 00:55:03,500
people who don't know of course eugenics

1373
00:55:07,240 --> 00:55:05,329
was the rock star super science of the

1374
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:07,250
early 19th century in the way that

1375
00:55:11,740 --> 00:55:08,810
climate change is the rock star super

1376
00:55:13,569 --> 00:55:11,750
science of today and it was it's now the

1377
00:55:15,730 --> 00:55:13,579
outdated pseudoscience that said that by

1378
00:55:18,190 --> 00:55:15,740
measuring people's the width of people's

1379
00:55:19,660 --> 00:55:18,200
eyeballs and and you know the length of

1380
00:55:21,790 --> 00:55:19,670
their nose and things like this we can

1381
00:55:24,430 --> 00:55:21,800
determine that certain types of people

1382
00:55:26,620 --> 00:55:24,440
are just fundamentally criminal people

1383
00:55:28,750 --> 00:55:26,630
and they're lower intelligence and

1384
00:55:31,359 --> 00:55:28,760
they're likely to to lead to life of

1385
00:55:33,099 --> 00:55:31,369
crime and poverty and horrible things of

1386
00:55:34,839 --> 00:55:33,109
course this was fundamentally racial

1387
00:55:38,230 --> 00:55:34,849
characteristics and thus certain races

1388
00:55:40,089 --> 00:55:38,240
just were disfavored and should be bred

1389
00:55:41,470 --> 00:55:40,099
out of the gene pool and one way or

1390
00:55:44,079 --> 00:55:41,480
another so they started of course the

1391
00:55:46,270 --> 00:55:44,089
forced you of sterilization laws that

1392
00:55:49,420 --> 00:55:46,280
were very popular in the United States

1393
00:55:51,130 --> 00:55:49,430
in the 1920s and 30s funded by research

1394
00:55:53,980 --> 00:55:51,140
that was done at the Cold Spring Harbor

1395
00:55:56,380 --> 00:55:53,990
Laboratory the American eugenics records

1396
00:55:57,819 --> 00:55:56,390
office funded by the Rockefellers who of

1397
00:56:00,490 --> 00:55:57,829
course also funded the Kaiser Wilhelm

1398
00:56:02,859 --> 00:56:00,500
Institute in Nazi Germany that became

1399
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:02,869
the basis for Nazi its eugenic

1400
00:56:08,980 --> 00:56:05,810
pseudoscience that was then of course

1401
00:56:11,559 --> 00:56:08,990
demonized after the war because of what

1402
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:11,569
Hitler did so they decided to create

1403
00:56:14,980 --> 00:56:13,130
something called crypto eugenics which

1404
00:56:16,839 --> 00:56:14,990
was to take this same idea that

1405
00:56:18,730 --> 00:56:16,849
basically there is a certain ruling

1406
00:56:22,210 --> 00:56:18,740
class of people who buy their very

1407
00:56:24,460 --> 00:56:22,220
genetic makeup are suited to be our

1408
00:56:26,470 --> 00:56:24,470
natural rulers this is literally what

1409
00:56:29,349 --> 00:56:26,480
eugenics preaches they decided to take

1410
00:56:31,180 --> 00:56:29,359
that philosophy and roll it into other

1411
00:56:33,030 --> 00:56:31,190
fields just don't call it eugenics

1412
00:56:35,580 --> 00:56:33,040
anymore because no one likes that word

1413
00:56:36,900 --> 00:56:35,590
so john d rockefeller the third who was

1414
00:56:39,030 --> 00:56:36,910
heavily involved in the american

1415
00:56:40,650 --> 00:56:39,040
eugenics society took the head of the

1416
00:56:42,830 --> 00:56:40,660
american eugenics society and plopped

1417
00:56:45,090 --> 00:56:42,840
him into a position at the newly created

1418
00:56:46,470 --> 00:56:45,100
population council which was funded

1419
00:56:50,100 --> 00:56:46,480
through the Rockefeller Brothers fund

1420
00:56:53,070 --> 00:56:50,110
okay and I'm going to continue until I

1421
00:56:55,050 --> 00:56:53,080
am finished with this point and we roll

1422
00:56:57,780 --> 00:56:55,060
out from there with the the Rockefeller

1423
00:57:00,570 --> 00:56:57,790
family continuing to to fund things

1424
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:00,580
along that line and again I understand

1425
00:57:04,620 --> 00:57:02,530
there's so many facts and names and

1426
00:57:06,630 --> 00:57:04,630
dates and figures here oh is history I

1427
00:57:08,850 --> 00:57:06,640
don't want to hear about this but this

1428
00:57:10,980 --> 00:57:08,860
is at least in no no I'm going to

1429
00:57:13,230 --> 00:57:10,990
continue with this point this is at

1430
00:57:15,690 --> 00:57:13,240
least a window into the psychology and

1431
00:57:17,550 --> 00:57:15,700
the motivations behind the creation of

1432
00:57:20,190 --> 00:57:17,560
world government it is not something

1433
00:57:21,750 --> 00:57:20,200
where it is going to be if we just give

1434
00:57:23,970 --> 00:57:21,760
them this power then they'll be happy

1435
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:23,980
with the power it's what they are using

1436
00:57:28,230 --> 00:57:25,930
the power for and I think perhaps the

1437
00:57:31,350 --> 00:57:28,240
more succinct version of this story

1438
00:57:33,630 --> 00:57:31,360
which I will now deliver is that you can

1439
00:57:36,150 --> 00:57:33,640
also see this mentality in for example

1440
00:57:39,180 --> 00:57:36,160
someone like Madeleine Albright who back

1441
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:39,190
in the 1990s when asked about the the

1442
00:57:43,230 --> 00:57:41,530
sanctions on Iraq at that time and that

1443
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:43,240
the the the fact that they had killed

1444
00:57:49,020 --> 00:57:44,970
five hundred thousand Iraqi children

1445
00:57:52,170 --> 00:57:49,030
died as a result of the sanctions on

1446
00:57:53,910 --> 00:57:52,180
Iraq when asked is it worth it is it

1447
00:57:55,950 --> 00:57:53,920
worth it and Madeleine Albright said

1448
00:57:58,140 --> 00:57:55,960
well yes I think it is worth it to kill

1449
00:57:59,670 --> 00:57:58,150
five hundred thousand Iraqi children I

1450
00:58:01,950 --> 00:57:59,680
think that's the mentality of these

1451
00:58:03,540 --> 00:58:01,960
people that human life really does not

1452
00:58:06,330 --> 00:58:03,550
mean anything to them and to hand them

1453
00:58:09,300 --> 00:58:06,340
the power and control over the entirety

1454
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:09,310
of the globe is something that is should

1455
00:58:13,140 --> 00:58:11,410
strike fear into the hearts of anyone

1456
00:58:15,540 --> 00:58:13,150
who understands what is really at stake

1457
00:58:18,930 --> 00:58:15,550
here especially given the technocratic

1458
00:58:22,260 --> 00:58:18,940
control grid that we're moving into you

1459
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:22,270
know I used to watch those oh those

1460
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:25,450
commercials for the Navy and it used to

1461
00:58:28,410 --> 00:58:27,250
just make my blood boil I wouldn't want

1462
00:58:30,510 --> 00:58:28,420
to grab the remote and throw it at the

1463
00:58:32,250 --> 00:58:30,520
TV you know all the nice music and the

1464
00:58:36,660 --> 00:58:32,260
beautiful ocean say a force for peace

1465
00:58:38,190 --> 00:58:36,670
you know and then at some point it

1466
00:58:41,430 --> 00:58:38,200
turned for me I said you know what

1467
00:58:45,570 --> 00:58:41,440
that's the best freaking chance we have

1468
00:58:46,830 --> 00:58:45,580
is that the American people still hold

1469
00:58:49,620 --> 00:58:46,840
to the idea

1470
00:58:52,890 --> 00:58:49,630
that there are certain values that we

1471
00:58:56,700 --> 00:58:52,900
stand for there are certain moral

1472
00:58:59,190 --> 00:58:56,710
principles that are at our core that's

1473
00:59:00,810 --> 00:58:59,200
what I think went is talking about

1474
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:00,820
that's what I think

1475
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:04,210
turns the table we're fighting a fight

1476
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:06,610
against the people that you're talking

1477
00:59:12,540 --> 00:59:10,330
about let's acknowledge that where do we

1478
00:59:15,780 --> 00:59:12,550
want to battle it do we want to battle

1479
00:59:19,830 --> 00:59:15,790
it with the idea that pushing against

1480
00:59:22,830 --> 00:59:19,840
their inevitable agenda or do we want to

1481
00:59:23,870 --> 00:59:22,840
jump out in front of it and say I think

1482
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:23,880
when tis right

1483
00:59:30,500 --> 00:59:26,770
any one world state would only come

1484
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:30,510
about if it at least on the surface

1485
00:59:38,130 --> 00:59:33,970
reflected our liberal democratic values

1486
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:38,140
of justice of freedom of equality for

1487
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:41,530
all people in the world why don't we get

1488
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:44,410
in front of the game and say one world

1489
00:59:50,370 --> 00:59:48,490
state of course placate me is the term

1490
00:59:52,890 --> 00:59:50,380
that I say you know I can be placated

1491
00:59:54,380 --> 00:59:52,900
just like I think you can be James and

1492
00:59:57,660 --> 00:59:54,390
I've heard you say it you know if you're

1493
01:00:00,060 --> 00:59:57,670
left to your individual rights

1494
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:00,070
if those rights are protected if you're

1495
01:00:07,650 --> 01:00:04,810
given certain freedoms then you have a

1496
01:00:10,110 --> 01:00:07,660
lot less interest in what the scoundrels

1497
01:00:13,260 --> 01:00:10,120
who are always going to be scoundrels

1498
01:00:18,060 --> 01:00:13,270
are doing so isn't this an opportunity

1499
01:00:20,730 --> 01:00:18,070
to change the battlefield by switching

1500
01:00:22,710 --> 01:00:20,740
sides if you will well if you could

1501
01:00:24,060 --> 01:00:22,720
provide me of that quotation thing that

1502
01:00:26,130 --> 01:00:24,070
I would be happy with just some of my

1503
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:26,140
individual rights and let the scoundrels

1504
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:27,730
be scoundrels I'd be interested to hear

1505
01:00:32,580 --> 01:00:30,010
that quotation though that I didn't mean

1506
01:00:34,620 --> 01:00:32,590
to to misrepresent what you're saying

1507
01:00:37,260 --> 01:00:34,630
but I just heard that in one of your

1508
01:00:38,460 --> 01:00:37,270
recent podcast I mean I the the spirit

1509
01:00:41,340 --> 01:00:38,470
of it was that

1510
01:00:44,100 --> 01:00:41,350
you know you don't you're not interested

1511
01:00:48,060 --> 01:00:44,110
in playing police on everything that

1512
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:48,070
everyone does your your key points for

1513
01:00:52,500 --> 01:00:50,290
you are your individual rights and

1514
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:52,510
freedoms and to the extent that those

1515
01:00:59,370 --> 01:00:56,290
are given to you you can't have a say in

1516
01:01:00,740 --> 01:00:59,380
no well ok ok I see I see what you're

1517
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:00,750
saying but that is a fun

1518
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:02,970
mental misunderstanding of my position

1519
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:04,890
because rights are not given by anyone

1520
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:06,770
they they're not something that it's

1521
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:09,450
protected well let's put it this way the

1522
01:01:13,190 --> 01:01:10,890
only rights that exist are negative

1523
01:01:14,990 --> 01:01:13,200
rights I you cannot to do that thing to

1524
01:01:17,090 --> 01:01:15,000
another person rather than rights that

1525
01:01:19,070 --> 01:01:17,100
somehow you are entitled to do something

1526
01:01:20,410 --> 01:01:19,080
simply because you exist so I think that

1527
01:01:23,330 --> 01:01:20,420
there is a fundamentally different

1528
01:01:25,210 --> 01:01:23,340
political outlook that arises from the

1529
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:25,220
latter did you get warmer I certainly do

1530
01:01:31,010 --> 01:01:29,370
let's let's address this through I think

1531
01:01:32,150 --> 01:01:31,020
there is a point of a chord here there

1532
01:01:35,300 --> 01:01:32,160
is a point of agreement in that

1533
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:35,310
ultimately I for example because I am

1534
01:01:39,590 --> 01:01:38,370
against the nationalist ideology exactly

1535
01:01:43,010 --> 01:01:39,600
as much as I'm against the globalist

1536
01:01:45,860 --> 01:01:43,020
ideology I agree that there is a it is a

1537
01:01:48,020 --> 01:01:45,870
global borderless world that's what it

1538
01:01:49,970 --> 01:01:48,030
is naturally there are no lines on a map

1539
01:01:51,590 --> 01:01:49,980
that has have any real meaning and

1540
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:51,600
reality other than what we make of them

1541
01:01:55,730 --> 01:01:53,850
and because of that we are becoming a

1542
01:01:57,110 --> 01:01:55,740
globally connected Society in terms of

1543
01:01:58,820 --> 01:01:57,120
our technology allowing people to

1544
01:02:01,310 --> 01:01:58,830
communicate and interact freely around

1545
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:01,320
the world and so we are becoming a

1546
01:02:05,210 --> 01:02:03,810
global society and it really is a

1547
01:02:07,550 --> 01:02:05,220
question of whether you want to do that

1548
01:02:11,260 --> 01:02:07,560
in a way that is free and open or a way

1549
01:02:15,590 --> 01:02:11,270
that is shut and and and malleable to

1550
01:02:17,660 --> 01:02:15,600
control and and I I of course do

1551
01:02:19,790 --> 01:02:17,670
advocate for the former resident ladder

1552
01:02:21,290 --> 01:02:19,800
through such things as I've talked about

1553
01:02:23,210 --> 01:02:21,300
in my podcast in the past like the

1554
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:23,220
peer-to-peer economy I think is a

1555
01:02:27,350 --> 01:02:25,170
wonderful amazing incredible thing that

1556
01:02:29,300 --> 01:02:27,360
people can interact and transact with

1557
01:02:31,070 --> 01:02:29,310
anyone anywhere on the globe and you

1558
01:02:32,330 --> 01:02:31,080
could do it through a cryptocurrency or

1559
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:32,340
whatever so that it's instantaneous

1560
01:02:37,790 --> 01:02:35,010
there's no bank institution that comes

1561
01:02:40,730 --> 01:02:37,800
in between it truly is a global sort of

1562
01:02:42,590 --> 01:02:40,740
global society in that sense that's the

1563
01:02:44,540 --> 01:02:42,600
model that I think we have to be working

1564
01:02:47,330 --> 01:02:44,550
towards rather than putting in a

1565
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:47,340
government to control the entire globe I

1566
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:49,170
think it's more about human beings

1567
01:02:53,450 --> 01:02:51,210
interacting as human beings and this is

1568
01:02:58,430 --> 01:02:53,460
that dreaded a word

1569
01:03:00,620 --> 01:02:58,440
oh no anarchism oh okay oh it's oh wait

1570
01:03:03,380 --> 01:03:00,630
no anarchism actually doesn't mean that

1571
01:03:06,140 --> 01:03:03,390
anarchism simply means without rulers

1572
01:03:07,550 --> 01:03:06,150
that let's be careful on that point it

1573
01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:07,560
doesn't mean without rules it means

1574
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:10,290
without rulers ie without governments

1575
01:03:14,099 --> 01:03:12,450
trying to prescribe limit control

1576
01:03:16,739 --> 01:03:14,109
database track catalog

1577
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:16,749
and tell people what to do and so yes I

1578
01:03:20,970 --> 01:03:19,210
do advocate anarchism specifically a

1579
01:03:22,950 --> 01:03:20,980
flavor of it called volunteerism which

1580
01:03:24,660 --> 01:03:22,960
I'll allow your audience to look up on

1581
01:03:26,309 --> 01:03:24,670
their own time if they're interested but

1582
01:03:28,079 --> 01:03:26,319
but yes I think that's really the

1583
01:03:29,999 --> 01:03:28,089
solution rather than trying to create a

1584
01:03:31,559 --> 01:03:30,009
government that unlike every other

1585
01:03:33,539 --> 01:03:31,569
government that has ever been instituted

1586
01:03:35,759 --> 01:03:33,549
in the history of the globe well this

1587
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:35,769
one somehow will be able to get more or

1588
01:03:40,620 --> 01:03:37,930
less keep contained and yeah it might

1589
01:03:42,839 --> 01:03:40,630
kill a few million people here you know

1590
01:03:44,279 --> 01:03:42,849
to poison our water there do you seduce

1591
01:03:46,049 --> 01:03:44,289
some of those things that they want to

1592
01:03:48,420 --> 01:03:46,059
do but you know it's just the price you

1593
01:03:49,769 --> 01:03:48,430
have to pay I don't believe that and I

1594
01:03:51,989 --> 01:03:49,779
don't I don't imagine most people

1595
01:03:53,009 --> 01:03:51,999
actually fundamentally do believe that

1596
01:03:55,289 --> 01:03:53,019
and I don't think that's what most

1597
01:03:57,180 --> 01:03:55,299
people are fighting and dying for in

1598
01:03:59,430 --> 01:03:57,190
many wars oh you know we'll have a

1599
01:04:01,079 --> 01:03:59,440
control by you know psychopathically

1600
01:04:03,329 --> 01:04:01,089
that's only there's only a little bit

1601
01:04:05,130 --> 01:04:03,339
bad it's not it's not terribly bad I

1602
01:04:06,239 --> 01:04:05,140
don't think that's ultimately the

1603
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:06,249
solution to this and I don't think

1604
01:04:08,970 --> 01:04:07,450
that's what you'd get in the end I mean

1605
01:04:10,829 --> 01:04:08,980
as I say I think with the technocratic

1606
01:04:13,710 --> 01:04:10,839
control grid there would be no way to

1607
01:04:14,910 --> 01:04:13,720
resist it and there's in such a system

1608
01:04:17,339 --> 01:04:14,920
there's no way you're going to be able

1609
01:04:19,650 --> 01:04:17,349
to contain the the psychopaths at the

1610
01:04:21,509 --> 01:04:19,660
top in any way so I think that's a pipe

1611
01:04:24,029 --> 01:04:21,519
dream but even given that pipe dream I

1612
01:04:26,249 --> 01:04:24,039
would prefer to have the the voluntarist

1613
01:04:29,670 --> 01:04:26,259
ik society rather than a society ruled

1614
01:04:31,529 --> 01:04:29,680
by anyone I guess you hit the the key

1615
01:04:33,839 --> 01:04:31,539
phrase to me it's it's pipe dream

1616
01:04:37,140 --> 01:04:33,849
I mean it's pipe dream that we are going

1617
01:04:40,430 --> 01:04:37,150
to be able to organically grow an

1618
01:04:43,349 --> 01:04:40,440
alternative culture that would be

1619
01:04:45,089 --> 01:04:43,359
attractive to the largest number of

1620
01:04:47,690 --> 01:04:45,099
people I mean that's one thing that does

1621
01:04:51,029 --> 01:04:47,700
kind of turn me off about the

1622
01:04:53,789 --> 01:04:51,039
alternative truth movement kind of view

1623
01:04:56,779 --> 01:04:53,799
is that ultimately at the end of the day

1624
01:04:59,970 --> 01:04:56,789
it does come down to some kind of

1625
01:05:02,370 --> 01:04:59,980
democratic vote if you will even if that

1626
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:02,380
movement was degree it gained momentum

1627
01:05:07,650 --> 01:05:05,650
and tremendous favor among larger and

1628
01:05:09,930 --> 01:05:07,660
larger groups of people it would still

1629
01:05:12,269 --> 01:05:09,940
ultimately come from town to some kind

1630
01:05:16,289 --> 01:05:12,279
of vote because that is also in keeping

1631
01:05:18,329 --> 01:05:16,299
with our democratic values so what what

1632
01:05:20,579 --> 01:05:18,339
do you keep saying democratic values for

1633
01:05:22,049 --> 01:05:20,589
I don't have democratic values and I

1634
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:22,059
think that's the exact point that I'm

1635
01:05:25,769 --> 01:05:23,890
arguing that no there would not be a

1636
01:05:28,049 --> 01:05:25,779
vote on this because that's the point

1637
01:05:30,390 --> 01:05:28,059
there is no majority that can force

1638
01:05:32,699 --> 01:05:30,400
or compel a peaceful minority to do what

1639
01:05:34,529 --> 01:05:32,709
they want morally and that's the

1640
01:05:36,779 --> 01:05:34,539
fundamental part point of this the moral

1641
01:05:38,789 --> 01:05:36,789
principle again exactly like yourself

1642
01:05:40,140 --> 01:05:38,799
arguing against the materialists but

1643
01:05:42,599 --> 01:05:40,150
hold on that the reason I keep bringing

1644
01:05:47,339 --> 01:05:42,609
up Democratic is that that's one of

1645
01:05:49,229 --> 01:05:47,349
Wentz points is that we as the United

1646
01:05:52,650 --> 01:05:49,239
States you're a Canadian who lives in

1647
01:05:53,609 --> 01:05:52,660
Japan who speaks primarily to Americans

1648
01:05:55,439 --> 01:05:53,619
although you speak to people all over

1649
01:05:58,999 --> 01:05:55,449
the world so I mean you're the you're a

1650
01:06:03,539 --> 01:05:59,009
perfect model of the globalization of

1651
01:06:07,319 --> 01:06:03,549
liberal democracy right because in its

1652
01:06:10,079 --> 01:06:07,329
broadest sense your values are everyone

1653
01:06:13,439 --> 01:06:10,089
has certain inalienable rights that's

1654
01:06:15,809 --> 01:06:13,449
kind of liberalism democracy that you

1655
01:06:17,429 --> 01:06:15,819
have the right to exist and you have the

1656
01:06:19,349 --> 01:06:17,439
right to property and those kind of

1657
01:06:23,429 --> 01:06:19,359
things I mean this is what when is

1658
01:06:25,199 --> 01:06:23,439
talking about in terms I yeah values I'm

1659
01:06:27,089 --> 01:06:25,209
not trying to invent the term I'm just

1660
01:06:29,219 --> 01:06:27,099
trying to use it in the way that he used

1661
01:06:30,150 --> 01:06:29,229
it in the paper and in the way that yes

1662
01:06:32,489 --> 01:06:30,160
and that's what I'm fundamentally

1663
01:06:34,410 --> 01:06:32,499
disputing I think that's the trap I

1664
01:06:37,019 --> 01:06:34,420
think that that's where we get into that

1665
01:06:39,209 --> 01:06:37,029
trap and that's why the the argument

1666
01:06:40,679 --> 01:06:39,219
against that can't be within that logic

1667
01:06:43,140 --> 01:06:40,689
it has to be outside of that and the

1668
01:06:44,999 --> 01:06:43,150
Democratic part of that is the is the

1669
01:06:46,890 --> 01:06:45,009
the poison that they lure people in with

1670
01:06:48,959 --> 01:06:46,900
the sweet poison that they lure people

1671
01:06:50,489 --> 01:06:48,969
in with I don't quite understand I mean

1672
01:06:52,979 --> 01:06:50,499
wouldn't it at the end of the day I mean

1673
01:06:55,319 --> 01:06:52,989
we're gonna have to decide let's say

1674
01:06:57,449 --> 01:06:55,329
that the you know this was to work out

1675
01:07:00,599 --> 01:06:57,459
exactly the way that we want it and we

1676
01:07:02,729 --> 01:07:00,609
were able to create whatever world state

1677
01:07:04,349 --> 01:07:02,739
and we could have it be what we'd still

1678
01:07:06,779 --> 01:07:04,359
come down to some kind of vote in terms

1679
01:07:08,579 --> 01:07:06,789
of what should be those values what

1680
01:07:11,539 --> 01:07:08,589
should be the laws what should be the

1681
01:07:13,529 --> 01:07:11,549
rules it does come down no it does not

1682
01:07:15,029 --> 01:07:13,539
necessarily and not in a way that you're

1683
01:07:17,009 --> 01:07:15,039
thinking but let's let's put it this way

1684
01:07:18,150 --> 01:07:17,019
then so I guess we'll have to get into

1685
01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:18,160
this because this is the fundamental

1686
01:07:22,650 --> 01:07:20,650
point of what I'm advocating which is

1687
01:07:24,870 --> 01:07:22,660
volunteerism which is the principle that

1688
01:07:27,179 --> 01:07:24,880
you can do you can create whatever kind

1689
01:07:29,219 --> 01:07:27,189
of community you want under whatever

1690
01:07:31,829 --> 01:07:29,229
kind of rules you want including a

1691
01:07:33,959 --> 01:07:31,839
democracy whatever you want just so long

1692
01:07:36,449 --> 01:07:33,969
as it is completely voluntary ie there

1693
01:07:38,969 --> 01:07:36,459
is no one who is compelled by living in

1694
01:07:39,749 --> 01:07:38,979
a certain area or whatever to be a part

1695
01:07:41,770 --> 01:07:39,759
of that community

1696
01:07:43,690 --> 01:07:41,780
so ultimately

1697
01:07:46,060 --> 01:07:43,700
so you can create a structure if you

1698
01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:46,070
want to but I could just as easily opt

1699
01:07:50,290 --> 01:07:47,810
to not be a part of that structure thank

1700
01:07:52,900 --> 01:07:50,300
you very much and and no one could

1701
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:52,910
compel me by you know using a gun or

1702
01:07:57,940 --> 01:07:55,250
what-have-you to to make me do anything

1703
01:08:00,790 --> 01:07:57,950
against my will so in that case then yes

1704
01:08:02,770 --> 01:08:00,800
then we can how would they not how would

1705
01:08:04,630 --> 01:08:02,780
you keep people from compelling you well

1706
01:08:06,370 --> 01:08:04,640
ultimately I think the question of self

1707
01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:06,380
defense is one that it comes down to

1708
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:08,690
natural law ie you have the right to

1709
01:08:12,040 --> 01:08:10,490
defend yourself from being killed by

1710
01:08:14,500 --> 01:08:12,050
someone so if there are enough people

1711
01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:14,510
who are concerned about for example well

1712
01:08:17,470 --> 01:08:15,890
there's a group over there that's going

1713
01:08:19,780 --> 01:08:17,480
to try to make me live under such and

1714
01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:19,790
such a system then you will form an

1715
01:08:27,700 --> 01:08:21,890
association to defend yourself against

1716
01:08:29,860 --> 01:08:27,710
it and that Association we are now is by

1717
01:08:32,470 --> 01:08:29,870
its very nature voluntarist 'ok you

1718
01:08:33,940 --> 01:08:32,480
decide to be a part of that association

1719
01:08:35,829 --> 01:08:33,950
because it serves your interests now

1720
01:08:37,990 --> 01:08:35,839
contrast that to the system where we're

1721
01:08:40,900 --> 01:08:38,000
in we're because you live within a

1722
01:08:43,150 --> 01:08:40,910
certain domain that certain people claim

1723
01:08:45,940 --> 01:08:43,160
to have the right to rule over you are

1724
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:45,950
compelled to give your support to that

1725
01:08:51,370 --> 01:08:48,650
governing authority in the terms of

1726
01:08:52,510 --> 01:08:51,380
taxation which are extracted from you at

1727
01:08:54,250 --> 01:08:52,520
the threat of violence

1728
01:08:55,660 --> 01:08:54,260
if you don't compel if you don't obey

1729
01:08:57,280 --> 01:08:55,670
they will throw you in a cage and if you

1730
01:09:00,910 --> 01:08:57,290
resist being thrown in cage you will be

1731
01:09:02,829 --> 01:09:00,920
killed so there is the the compulsion to

1732
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:02,839
participate in that type of association

1733
01:09:07,570 --> 01:09:05,690
and they get to decide well you know

1734
01:09:09,340 --> 01:09:07,580
what the United States is under mortal

1735
01:09:11,230 --> 01:09:09,350
threat from Iraq so we better go over

1736
01:09:12,789 --> 01:09:11,240
halfway around the world and use your

1737
01:09:14,500 --> 01:09:12,799
resources that you're giving to us to

1738
01:09:17,770 --> 01:09:14,510
drop bombs on brown people

1739
01:09:21,280 --> 01:09:17,780
I think that's fundamentally an insane

1740
01:09:22,660 --> 01:09:21,290
way of organizing society it would make

1741
01:09:24,190 --> 01:09:22,670
a lot more sense to me if I get to

1742
01:09:25,900 --> 01:09:24,200
decide you know what I think this is a

1743
01:09:27,220 --> 01:09:25,910
worthy cause I think we should defend

1744
01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:27,230
ourselves from these people because

1745
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:28,730
they're threatening us let's get

1746
01:09:32,650 --> 01:09:31,010
together and do that and an association

1747
01:09:35,590 --> 01:09:32,660
formed on that basis on voluntaristic

1748
01:09:37,570 --> 01:09:35,600
principles is perfectly fine the idea

1749
01:09:39,160 --> 01:09:37,580
that you can compel me to participate in

1750
01:09:42,070 --> 01:09:39,170
that Association is fundamentally

1751
01:09:44,980 --> 01:09:42,080
immoral and I realize there is a vast

1752
01:09:47,470 --> 01:09:44,990
gulf between here and there

1753
01:09:48,910 --> 01:09:47,480
ie trying to get to that okay but there

1754
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:48,920
that is ultimately what I'm not

1755
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:51,530
advocating for and I think pipe dream or

1756
01:09:55,580 --> 01:09:53,690
not that is the principle which I'm

1757
01:09:58,129 --> 01:09:55,590
which I'm advocating for and

1758
01:09:59,660 --> 01:09:58,139
I can't compromise on that principle

1759
01:10:01,939 --> 01:09:59,670
there's no moral way for me to say oh

1760
01:10:03,379 --> 01:10:01,949
you know what screw you I don't care

1761
01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:03,389
what you think you're going to

1762
01:10:06,709 --> 01:10:05,250
participate with us and if you don't you

1763
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:06,719
know we're gonna throw you in a cage and

1764
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:08,010
if you resist that I'm going to kill you

1765
01:10:12,379 --> 01:10:10,770
I think that's that's not the best way

1766
01:10:14,899 --> 01:10:12,389
that we can organize society and I think

1767
01:10:16,879 --> 01:10:14,909
there that we have to fundamentally

1768
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:16,889
reject that logic in order to get

1769
01:10:20,450 --> 01:10:19,050
anywhere other than where went and

1770
01:10:22,189 --> 01:10:20,460
others are proposing we're going to get

1771
01:10:24,140 --> 01:10:22,199
well why throw went in there and that's

1772
01:10:27,310 --> 01:10:24,150
certainly that's certainly not his

1773
01:10:30,260 --> 01:10:27,320
position he's saying agreeing with you

1774
01:10:32,060 --> 01:10:30,270
wholeheartedly right that's his point is

1775
01:10:34,430 --> 01:10:32,070
that there should be accountability

1776
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:34,440
people's state shouldn't be allowed to

1777
01:10:38,839 --> 01:10:36,330
do the kind of things that we did in

1778
01:10:42,979 --> 01:10:38,849
Iraq and Libya and are doing in Syria

1779
01:10:44,689 --> 01:10:42,989
and that his it's kind of a means to an

1780
01:10:46,910 --> 01:10:44,699
end kind of thing he thinks that the

1781
01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:46,920
best way to do it now let me clarify I

1782
01:10:50,570 --> 01:10:48,690
don't mean to say that went is arguing

1783
01:10:52,129 --> 01:10:50,580
for some sort of you know psychopathic

1784
01:10:54,050 --> 01:10:52,139
control grid I don't think that is what

1785
01:10:55,729 --> 01:10:54,060
people like that argument sure he is in

1786
01:10:57,530 --> 01:10:55,739
good faith arguing for a system that he

1787
01:10:59,030 --> 01:10:57,540
believes will be able to be the best

1788
01:11:01,879 --> 01:10:59,040
checks that we can have against that

1789
01:11:03,439 --> 01:11:01,889
he's not even arguing I think hit the

1790
01:11:05,209 --> 01:11:03,449
key point that he's making and then we

1791
01:11:07,479 --> 01:11:05,219
need to wrap this up because I've taken

1792
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:07,489
a lot of your time here but is the

1793
01:11:13,580 --> 01:11:10,650
inevitability of it suggests that we

1794
01:11:15,890 --> 01:11:13,590
should change our strategy and get out

1795
01:11:18,890 --> 01:11:15,900
in front of it so that we can shape it

1796
01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:18,900
in the best way we can I agree I agree

1797
01:11:23,240 --> 01:11:20,690
and I think that that means

1798
01:11:25,970 --> 01:11:23,250
participating in a Garissa

1799
01:11:28,330 --> 01:11:25,980
volunteerism voluntaristic associations

1800
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:28,340
and things that will go around and and

1801
01:11:32,899 --> 01:11:30,810
beyond the authority of state control

1802
01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:32,909
like the peer-to-peer economy and that's

1803
01:11:36,350 --> 01:11:34,170
what I talk about all the time we are

1804
01:11:38,419 --> 01:11:36,360
creating yes we are creating a global

1805
01:11:40,459 --> 01:11:38,429
society but it is one that doesn't have

1806
01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:40,469
to be ruled over by some sort of

1807
01:11:45,859 --> 01:11:42,330
governmental structure james corbett

1808
01:11:48,709 --> 01:11:45,869
corbett report an interesting kind of

1809
01:11:49,629 --> 01:11:48,719
counter to the very interesting article

1810
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:49,639
by

1811
01:11:54,010 --> 01:11:52,010
Alexander went James thanks so much for

1812
01:11:55,990 --> 01:11:54,020
joining me and best of luck with all

1813
01:12:27,670 --> 01:11:56,000
your work thanks for having me on always

1814
01:12:32,780 --> 01:12:30,170
thanks again to James Corbett for

1815
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:32,790
joining me in this dialogue with dr.

1816
01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:35,370
Alexander went on the New World Order I

1817
01:12:40,459 --> 01:12:37,890
guess I'd have a couple of questions to

1818
01:12:43,850 --> 01:12:40,469
tee up from this interview one is is

1819
01:12:47,150 --> 01:12:43,860
there really a deep state political

1820
01:12:49,670 --> 01:12:47,160
drive towards a one-world State towards

1821
01:12:53,030 --> 01:12:49,680
a new world order towards consolidation

1822
01:12:56,650 --> 01:12:53,040
of power at that level is that even a

1823
01:12:59,750 --> 01:12:56,660
remote possibility or is it just crazy

1824
01:13:02,270 --> 01:12:59,760
conspiracy theory and then question

1825
01:13:06,500 --> 01:13:02,280
number two since question one is a real

1826
01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:06,510
lob question question two is is there

1827
01:13:13,430 --> 01:13:09,690
any scenario under which we would want

1828
01:13:16,430 --> 01:13:13,440
to get out in front of the issue turn it

1829
01:13:19,820 --> 01:13:16,440
around and say okay great here's what a

1830
01:13:23,870 --> 01:13:19,830
one-world state should look like here's

1831
01:13:27,170 --> 01:13:23,880
how we want it to emerge or should we

1832
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:27,180
resist that at every turn because as

1833
01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:30,570
James Corbett says the power structure

1834
01:13:35,689 --> 01:13:33,090
that we have now is incapable of doing

1835
01:13:38,660 --> 01:13:35,699
anything other than completely

1836
01:13:41,689 --> 01:13:38,670
subverting and corrupting any efforts

1837
01:13:44,330 --> 01:13:41,699
along those lines so I know these

1838
01:13:45,530 --> 01:13:44,340
questions are off target for the usual

1839
01:13:48,260 --> 01:13:45,540
kind of things we talked about on

1840
01:13:51,110 --> 01:13:48,270
skeptic oh but if you do feel inclined

1841
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:51,120
to jump in there and offer your opinion

1842
01:13:57,590 --> 01:13:52,770
the place to do so is through the

1843
01:14:00,500 --> 01:13:57,600
sceptical website at ske P tik Oh calm

1844
01:14:03,290 --> 01:14:00,510
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1845
01:14:05,959 --> 01:14:03,300
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1846
01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:05,969
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1850
01:14:16,670 --> 01:14:14,130
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1856
01:14:29,419 --> 01:14:27,090
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1857
01:14:31,010 --> 01:14:29,429
way to do it I do hope to connect with

1858
01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:31,020
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1859
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:33,810
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1860
01:14:39,440 --> 01:14:36,810
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1861
01:14:42,950 --> 01:14:39,450
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1862
01:14:45,170 --> 01:14:42,960
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1863
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1865
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